[ros-dev] 7-zip - holy smokes!

Thu Apr 21 01:21:03 CEST 2005

The NSIS installer system supports the 7-Zip algorithm (LZMA) and has an
overhead of 30-50kB. So that would be another option.

Cheers,

Oliver

> This topic seems to be rather popular. But if you look at the relations
> of files size, this seems natural.
> 
> Waldo has absolutely right, in my eyes. Setting up a build environment 
> is as 10 times more difficult than installing 7zip. So at least the 
> src-distr. isn't required any more as zip (since src needs buildenv). So 
> I as the one who packs and uploads the stuff decided, that the 
> src-package will only be distributed as .7z rather than .zip.
> For the other packages (esp. qemu) I don't know. I think that will have 
> both.
> At least for my part I am a canny guy. And if I can save bits/s and MB 
> on sf.net's and other's hard disks, I think that's good. So I would save 
> these bits. HDs are cheap but what tells us to be dissipative. So I 
> rather invest some CPU cycles to save many MB(/s).
> 
> Other opinion?
> Let's read it.
> 
> 
> 
> Waldo Alvarez Cañizares wrote:
> > Hi:
> > 
> > I doubt normal Windows users will be downloading sources of anything
> > ever. BTW is a lot more dificult to set the build environment than to
> > decompress the sources using 7zip. Beleiveme is a real pain to
> > download ROS if you have a dialup connection. Why waste our time when
> > we don't need to. Again if still you consider that a zip distribution
> > should still be available for download why not distribute both zip
> > and 7zip. Is that much space? Or it takes to much time to pack? I
> > would answer no to both questions.
> > 
> > Regards Waldo
> > 
> > -----Original Message----- From: ros-dev-bounces at reactos.com on
> > behalf of Andrew Flynn Sent: Thu 4/14/2005 4:28 AM To: ReactOS
> > Development List Subject: Re: [ros-dev] 7-zip - holy smokes!
> > 
> > I agree with Michael B. 7Zip is superior to ZIP. You have to remember
> > who will be downloading the source, compressed files. Is it going to
> > be standard windows users that use winzip and nothing else? When it
> > comes to mass distribution of images, the iso format seems like a
> > sensible choice, where the setup programs can utilise whatever 
> > compression they like. PKZip may be the most popular, but that does
> > not mean that ReactOS files have to use it.
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > Michael B. Trausch wrote:
> > 
> > 
> > Thomas Weidenmueller wrote:
> > 
> > 
> > 
> >> I don't think it's a good choice for our public downloads, the
> >> avarage user most likely will not know this format. zip still is
> >> THE standard.
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > True, it is.  However, end-users will follow whatever trends are set
> > for them.  ZIP got to be big and well-known because of PKZip,
> > honestly.
> > 
> > If 7-Zip is that much better, then I'd say we go for it and put in 
> > something like red text above the link to the downloads page that we
> > use 7-Zip.
> > 
> > Or, we could give users their option and offer both.  Those concerned
> >  about bandwidth would use the 7-Zip version, and those who don't
> > care can go with the other one.
> > 
> > As far as users and .EXE files - End Users download EXE files all of
> > the time.  They don't know any better.  They see the box in MSIE and
> > go, "Yeah, whatever, it's my computer and I wanna download it," click
> > it away and move on.  *shrugs*
> > 
> > That's why I make money outside of my job, cleaning up after people's
> >  idiotic mistakes, but that's another story altogether.  If we offer
> > them a self-extracting version and a 7-Zip'd version, that'd be even
> > better in terms of download time/bandwidth.
> > 
> > Not to mention, if 7-Zip can be distributed with ReactOS, it's a good
> >  way to get it out there.  Since it's under LGPL, it'd be something
> > that could even be built into ReactOS in the same way as .ZIP format
> > support is built into more recent versions of Windows (and hopefully,
> > just as easy to disable, because I hate that feature, but plenty of
> > people absolutely love it).
> > 
> > Not only all of that, but since it's a superior compression scheme,
> > it'd be logical to support it and help further it's distribution so
> > that people would use it.  People don't just sit down very frequently
> > and go, "Hrm.  I think I am going to search out a new way to compress
> > my files," because they figure that compression is compression is
> > compression, and that's all there is to it.
> > 
> > All in all, I think it'd be wise, especially over the long-term, to
> > use and support 7-Zip.
> > 
> > - Mike
> > 
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