Idea: and way not a Virtual System Manager.. integrated ?

[Blackcrack]

Hy,

humm.. any want run a other System in Reactos... dos, Linux, OS2 and what it ever... and
why dont make a correckt emulator.. integrateing in the Reactos to use folders.. (dos)
Partitions for use Linux, OS2 and what ever.. and a virtual filesystem how vmware... and
that all fully integrated in Reactos and by side a VDM for integratet Dos (copy in a folder
and configure in the vdm.config who folder use as dos in reactos and were be the comspec
(command.com to load with reactos as tsr backround 16bit system) if it funtioning...

The VSM also can use and take all things who need it to run the System..who give a virtual
hardware and bios who direckt integrated in Reactos for best performace..and reactos can
get direcktly hardwaresupport as better emulating as be in a Emulationsprogramm.. The
Emulationsprogramms mus be look that the emulatingprogramm run on all Win32 Systems,
and the integratet VSM mus only be running in Reactos and can direcktly programming in
Reactos and can become you-hit a corner custom-made .... for best performace...

a further advantage lasts , the developer can use it to make reactos running direcktly
in a virtual devel environment and can direckt updating, testig and all it is need..
Can fast installing Reactos , testing apps. Can let run a own devel-environment
for programming explizit Reactos or can let run2-4 or more if enabling the Hardware
instances reactos, a running devel, where make a installer, in the next instace can
installing it and in other can integrate it direcktly in the 3 instance of Reactos without
boot the Reactos-System als so..

The User can let run his own System what he whant..
I had say one other System.. noooo, we have a Win32/64 System...
more as one instance, Linux (as Router/websystem), Linux as Testsystem
(distriebutionstesting by side), WinXX if have a licence, Dos(for ElItE *g*),
or more as one Dos-Versions in more instances..

Webhoster or Systemhoster can let run 3-4 or more Linux and Win32 System
by Side on Reactos as Hostingsystem....

And now a next fiture (or feture, i hope it is understand..i am a german
and dont now how tha's realy write in english) if change the Bios
from the emulator...
A Amigabios or a C64-Bios (or Apple-Mac-Bios *g* if go)so can install
or run the other Systems... with the old Games, Apps and, and, and...
All on Desktop from Reactos...

and everyone is content
thus one can then the maximum one read a
computer with several systems fully to use

and that's all with optimum perfamance in Reactos...
It's a fully System-Reactor how a real Reactor *hehehe*
and it's not a simple System on a Hardware what can more
let run as only one instance..

I have only the ideas, but i cant programming and want be
in backround, die Programmer who can programming,
make a ROS-VSM-Group and programming it...

write your ideas and comments, disk in addition which you mean.
If you are a programmer, perhaps communicate this here
and look for other one, those with you this carry out…
a custom-made emulator last in reactos surely not badly.

regards
Blacky

[oiaohm]

Now as well Windows NT and up have mult subsystem support by default. In theory Linux applications could run directly on Windows XP if a Linux subsystem existed.

Even reactos supports more than one subsystem. Most developed subsystem on Reactos is the Win32 one of course.

Xen support is under way. Ok exactly what are you after. If you mean to run other OS's directy on the hardware side by side with reactos. Yes Xen does this do this. Be to Xen domain controller Reactos has to support Xen. Xen even creates virtual network cards so the OS's can talk to each other safely is the domain contoller that controls this. Note by end of year Intel processors and Amd Processors will allow Xen to load OS's under Xen without alterations this includes Windows XP and Vistia.

Xen can lock OS/s to a file or a partition.

Ok I just don't see much point in spliting effort. The hypervisor like protections Xen has would have to be kinda duplicated in some cases.

Or in other cases a subsystem sould be created. Its just doing the right thing.

Even with linux you can colinux inside windows now. But you do need to add Xming so you have X11 server so you can see something.

[Jaix]

I think this is a good idea, I would like to be able to run other apps then Win32 apps too. I also like the emulator part, to be able to run emulated apps from a standardized shell would be nice.

I also think that this should be possibel through a terminal service connection. To be able to log in through the net and start a OS/2 or Linux app directly would be really cool.

http://www.reactos.org/wiki/index.php/ReactOS_Terminal_Services

[GreatLord]

ReactOS have a os/2 subsystem in svn not finish I do not known what happen with the dev. and it exists a 3 party project that is making os2 subsystem to reactos I do not rember the project name but they exist on google and soureforge if I rember right

[Matthias]

Until ReactOS becomes usable, all servers will be shipped with hardware virtualization support. Then you'll be able to run any OS using Xen without having to change the OS. I don't really think it makes much sense to put too much work into virtualization.

[Blackcrack]

I think this is a good idea, I would like to be able to run other apps then Win32 apps too. I also like the emulator part, to be able to run emulated apps from a standardized shell would be nice.

I also think that this should be possibel through a terminal service connection. To be able to log in through the net and start a OS/2 or Linux app directly would be really cool.

http://www.reactos.org/wiki/index.php/ReactOS_Terminal_Services

Yes, it' rock's, but Linux need a own Filesystem (real Partition or a virtual Partition in a File)
by Linux is the problem, the rights of uid and gid + write and read right's from the Filesystem...
therefor mus it enabling a emuation of hardware for linux to use a real patition or a file-partition
to let run in reiser-fs or ext3/3-dev(ext4) and... why not a direcktx - Hardwareemulation by Sound..
and Vesa-Emu with framebuffer, dri, glx-support like a opengl-grafic-card direcktly to the
port of directx.. or the port who sad Matthias anyone have problems to have the Linuxdrivers
for soundcart, no problem, sb16 is every running *bg* and for soundkards with 32,64 and
more Bit's can make a sb32-emulation..... it is more as enough.. i think... on sound.. *g*
the same in Dos, OS2....and other Systems..
in C64 can emulating in the bios a kweek*g*computer-speaker on the directx or what how ever-port
who can custom it with a internal software-sound-equilizer to become the best sound in C64-emu...
the Software-sound-Equilizer can be a plugin in the VSM and can programming so that can use it
over a little menu on the Emulationswindow... how in UT99 *g* the UT4E where have his own
config for the zenarios...as exemple ....

oiaohm, humm... i had think the VSM so like as qemu but manny better and fully intrated in
Reactos, if get a system error in the emulating System, and it's hangs, can only kill the Window
or make a virtual coldstart or simply the window close, if it does not react, then could one
a kill.exe as in the Linux call and that window along its tread kill in the emulator VSM....

GreatLord, humm.. a subsystem only.. humm... no, i think it's not realy good, the VSM shold be
the subsystem in his own created area to easy creating a new system in System who can feel
free the Users to testing all System and use it..without Reactos lasts you-hit a corner concerned
if the virtual system hangs that ReactOS lasts affected by it, therefore as one qemu as VSM
only evenly fully graphically operated .. with a Gui... for his own opperatings..in the ROS-VSM
Feel free to installing a real OS2 W1 / W2 /W3 or what ever the name is *g* from
IBM in ROS-VSM and let it run in the 3 or 4th Desktop as realsystem

but, only for small apps let run, why not a little OS2-Sub-sys The fully feeling is, if run
a real OS2 as own System.. and this.. in Reactos on ROS-VSM A modememulation on
Modem,isdn or direckt on the dns and gw to the I-Net-router to connecting direcktly OS2-BBS's

The same on C64, there can be a modem, were can connect out on the old time, yes, C64 had
support modems.. was a grate TiMe.. uoufhhff.. and Amigas... mus i say anywhat ? *bg**jump*


Matthias,

Until ReactOS becomes usable, all servers will be shipped with hardware virtualization support.

jess... and then combine with the VSM direct to the emulating-hardware-bios...
use as plugins in the VSM... the emulated Computer start and booting his own System
in System as window or Max-Window or fully Monitored...ala alt+enter


And if more as only on Desktop, Virtualy Desktops 4 or 6 Desktops, can run on any desktop
a other System like so alt+F2 to alt+F6 or shift+alt+F2 to shift+alt+F6 where the
VSM could support then ..

greetings
Blacky

[GreatLord]

Subsystem is made to run all software for a os

ReactOS is consrate most on Windows NT subsystem
for it is alot of work to write a subsystem it is nothing u are doing
for 3-4 year, it take alot of time before a subsystem being matore

[Jaix]

The same on C64, there can be a modem, were can connect out on the old time, yes, C64 had
support modems.. was a grate TiMe.. uoufhhff.. and Amigas... mus i say anywhat ? *bg**jump*

My C64 has an ethernet internet connection, web-browser, e-mail and a lot cool stuff, read about that on the Contiki homepage:
http://www.sics.se/~adam/contiki/
http://www.sics.se/~adam/contiki/ss.html

http://dunkels.com/adam/tfe/index.html The Final Ethernet Cartridge for C64
http://www.bitplane.it/public/catalog/product_info.php?cPath=27&products_id=42&osCsid=62477157323ad6a52d2f1e190fbdae83 The RetroReplay Ethernet cartridge for C64

Sorry for this off-topic post, just couldn't help myself, retro, retro retro...

[Blackcrack]

Hy Ho

YESSS, this was the Programm no,isnt OffTopic ! is a example !
AnD a ReAl Go0d OnE !
I think, was give in german lang :\ but i dont now it realy more..

Thy Jaix !

greetings
Blacky

[Blackcrack]

Hy,
oh, a idea is comming *bg*, take this screenshoot and make a new topic in the Webside with
the heading "Old times and Retro"
And on the screenshotpages... so like as a demo....
" Want you react the old times and Systems, help do develope Reactos and the VSM"
"Hackers of this world, come and Help" " Let reacting the old groups but let make it legally"
"without hint, tricks, cheatings"
"we can have now a better and legal goal"
"comes from your holes out, suns begins to seem "
"we are can make it better !"
and linking to the developer-pages..
but need a amiga, OS2, Schneider-CPC, and other old System Screenshoots
it's a idea... or so *bg* and if u whant you can call the newsgroups, news and other one...

so.. and this is now off topic *harhar*

greetings
Blacky

[Blackcrack]

Hy,

now i have play with Gimp 2.3 (edit: but here is 2.4-rc1)



and here is the link from the Gimpimage :

ROS-VSM.xcf
right mouse save as ...

with gimp for NT :

Gtk Engine and Gimp 2.4-rc1 for Win32
Gimp 2.4 RC1

and you can play with the ROS-VSM on picture *g*

greetings
Blacky

[Blackcrack]

Hy Peoples

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and have update the links...
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regards
Blacky