[ros-dev] ReactOS Foundation 501c3 Status - Approved
aleksey at studiocerebral.com
Thu Apr 7 17:56:26 CEST 2005
it's so long-awaited result that it's even hard to believe in it now ;-)
Alex raised a few very important topics, let me add to it:
1) Developer payment - this question must be worked out thoroughly - if
we're going with only the bounty system, it's the easiest to maintain.
However with paid-developers, as Alex pointed out, creates a problem - how
to differentiate each one's "salary".
There are two generally two ways to get the development process done: First
of all create development path, mark milestones, estimate roughly number of
people and number of hours to complete each part. Then:
a) pay developers monthly agreed full-time or part-time salary, and
developer promises relatively strict timeframe for reaching every major
milestone. If not reaching, then the developers salary might be reconsidered
somewhen. Or might be not.
b) pay developers for completed parts - this allows to get rid of
"fulltime" or "parttime", since dev is actually paid for reaching the end
b is actually close to bouny-system. a would be cool, but only if developer
wishes this way.
What's other's opinion about this?
2) I agree with Alex that sponsoring expos travelling would be great (though
$150 per night just for hotel sounds like a bit too much for me, but maybe
american prices are higher than europe's), it's the main thing after
3) Board - what does it mean? Will it define main strategic decisions? If
so, wouldn't it be fair to do it as we already started - by open voting
process amongst all active (=having commit-access in svn) developers?
I just don't know about it - if it's some legal thing, then I'm not really
interested, and I would leave this to you :-), but if it's for making
decisions about reactos development, it's structure etc, then I'd think that
most of ros-devs should be involved in this process. Am I right?
Also does being a board-member will mean generally distancing from actual
development? Or it's kind of the same thing as being coordinator, when it's
possible (and mostly needed) to be developer and coordinate some effort,
Again - it's so great this process is starting to move forward, I'm very
excited about it, certainly big thanks goes to Steven for not giving up ;-)
With the best regards,
> Steven Edwards wrote:
>>Just to let everyone know we are now approved to be a 501c3 org in the
>>United States meaning that
>>we can give a tax deduction for any contributions received for donations
>>to the Foundation. I am
>>in process of trying to get my paperwork together now to come up with a
>>plan to move forward as I
>>have never done this before and its been a learning process. Sorry its
>>taken so damn long......
> Congratulations, and thanks so much for your hard work on this issue! You
> deserve a big clap of applause.
>>I would like to propose that we get something up rather quickly on
>>review/amend the draft bylaws as needed as well as have our first real
>>meeting after Jason and I
>>have discussed off list drafting a new budget plan for the following
>>Retainer for Legal and Accounting
>>Supplementation of Hosting Costs
> I totally agree.
>>Just to give you a idea I am wanting to budget whatever income we might
>>have in the following way
>>5% reserve fund (Mutual Funds, Savings, Etc)
>>5% legal reserve and retainer costs
>>5% supplement hosting and misc expenses (expos etc)
>>5% part-to-full time administrative assistant to help me manage paper work
>>as I suck at it.
> Two issues I see here:
> 1) Developers. Do you mean that each developer will be paid? How will this
> be done? equally shared? Not to sound like an ass, but there may be times
> when a developer does absolutely nothing (read: me for the next month),
> while someone else is hacking away 100KLOC of code. Or someone that
> generally only does little fixes (which can be really useful, and is all
> the useful time he can offer due to work/family/school) versus someone
> which already has assured income and spends 24 hours a day working on
> Reactos. Would it be fair to pay everyone the same amount of money? Sorry
> if I'm misunderstanding the issue, but I just want to be fair. Besides,
> I'm sure many developers might want to refuse getting paid. Working for
> free is sometimes a personal choice, and the offers certain tangible and
> psycoligcal advantages. I don't know about others, but I myself would feel
> bad in many ways to receive money by working on ReactOS. I would feel as
> if any bugs ormistakes that I make now have monetary losses associated
> with them.
> 2) I think expos should get more then 5%. An expo of 4 people would cost
> around 2000$ (assuming 150$/night * 3 nights, plus food and other needs,
> *4 people). Now at minimum we'll probably want to attend a North American
> and a European conference, meaning 4000$. The European one is bound to
> have more then 4 people anyways, so with 6 people, it'll up the cost to
> 6000$. 5% means that we would need 80 000$ in donations. Seems a lot to me
> at this stage. Then again, we probably won't want to pay the full cost of
> an expo at this point, but whatever, I'm just giving ideas and I hope they
>>Prior board meetings mainly consisted of me telephoning each board member
>>upon the initial
>>incorporation and we have not really moved forward since that time. Now
>>that we are all nice and
>>legal its time to hit the ground running. Currently our board of directors
>>consists of long time
>>developers to ReactOS and Wine
>>Steven Edwards, Jason Filby, Alexandre Julliard, Brian Palmer and Rex
>>I would like to get community feedback as part of our bylaw amending
>>process on the current status
>>of the board and when/if we should hold elections and restructure. Also
>>from people that agreed to
>>be on the board. Do you still want to do it? Does anyone else? Etc....
> I would love to be on the board. I think I have some pretty good ideas for
> moving forward, and it'll be a good short break from coding when I'll
> Best Regards,
> Alex Ionescu
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