AW: [ros-dev] Saying To All
wes.parish at paradise.net.nz
Sat Mar 12 21:13:33 CET 2005
>From what I made out from all the hooha over the leaked source code, it was
about the same size (in MB) of NT 4.0 and Win2k. NT 4.0 is significantly
smaller than Win2k - I've installed both for a course I did in A+ - though
it's nowhere near as small as NT 3.1.
Consequently, a lot more NT 4.0 source code got leaked than did Win2k. (I've
never seen it - and I don't want to, unless I've got a declaration from
Microsoft that the NT source code (3.1 to 5.1) is now available under an
acceptable Open Source license - preferrably 3-clause BSDL, since they appear
to like that! ;-) I won't even look at MS Academic Shared Source source code
at University, because MS are that paranoid, and are willing to throw "mental
contamination" theories around like a pyromaniac with a flamethrower.
Reverse engineering's a different story, because Microsoft Press has published
"Inside Windows NT", several editions including the Win2k one, and I kid you
not, they give detailed instructions on reverse-engineering NT. "Tools for
Digging into Windows NT Internals" - that ring a bell? i386kd, windbg,
apimon, gflags, pwalk, pfmon, I could go on ... David A. Solomon goes into
But as I understand it, ReactOS is an NT-class/style/type kernel (much in the
way NT itself is a VMS-class kernel with a Win32 userland.) with a Wine-based
userland, and reverse-engineering wasn't involved in either developing the
kernel or in developing the Win32 userland.
I'm getting sick of these people with unsupported allegations.
On Sat, 12 Mar 2005 06:18, Rouven Weßling wrote:
> Microsoft lost big parts of the Source Code of Windows 200 & NT 4.0 (more
> NT 4 then 200). But it's not enough source code to compile your own
> -----Ursprüngliche Nachricht-----
> Von: ros-dev-bounces at reactos.com [mailto:ros-dev-bounces at reactos.com] Im
> Auftrag von Hartmut Birr
> Gesendet: Freitag, 11. März 2005 17:54
> An: ReactOS Development List
> Betreff: Re: [ros-dev] Saying To All
> Thomas Larsen schrieb:
> >4. Disam shell32 and scsiport.sys Theire where lot of places where it
> > where
> The M$ compiler and gcc is very different. If you compare the assembler
> code which is compiled from the same source, you can found the same
> functions bodies, but inside the functions there are many differences.
> Some time ago, I've ported a simple driver for an eprom programer from
> M$ tools to the ReactOS build system. At the start it hasn't worked,
> because I forgot the stdcall attributes for some functions. The
> reassembled code was very different.
> >5. Microsoft Source leak my friend just downloaded it i got parts of the
> code what could be on my
> >1,33 mb floppy
> If you was interessted to compare the ros and M$ code, you have never
> worked with a floppy. It is too simple to burn a cd or dvd.
> >6. Saw scsiport.sys where 90% identical i layout and code and alittel of
> Some parts of scsiport are from me. I've never seen the scsiport sources
> from M$. I'm not sure which code from M$ you know. Our scsiport is more
> compatible with the NT4.0 one. I've test many scsi controller with its
> NT 4.0 drivers (adaptect 2940, ataptec on asus p2d, dmx3194uw, diamond
> fireport, tekram dc390, initio a100, some with different lsi chipset,
> some with initio 950 chip set). I think M$ has lost the W2K sourcesand
> not the NT4.0 one. Our scsiport is very different from W2k and it is
> different from NT4.0. I've add a list of imported functions. Some
> functions are very specific for the implemention. ReactOS doesn't use
> IoFreeMdl, IoFreeIrp, the DeviceQueu functions and some others. Many
> things may nearly the same, bcause they must implement the some
> functions. Our implementation is different from M$. The different
> imported functions shows this. You cannot find 90% identical, if you
> compare our source with the M$ source.
> - Hartmut
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> Ros-dev at reactos.com
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