From ge@gse.nl Tue Oct 7 19:55:09 2003 Received: from dutlru2.lr.tudelft.nl (dutlru2.lr.tudelft.nl [130.161.164.58]) by dutlaso.lr.tudelft.nl (8.12.8/8.12.8) with ESMTP id h97Ht9s9024987; Tue, 7 Oct 2003 19:55:09 +0200 Received: from smtpzilla2.xs4all.nl (smtpzilla2.xs4all.nl [194.109.127.138]) by dutlru2.lr.tudelft.nl (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id h97Ht9gh017578; Tue, 7 Oct 2003 19:55:09 +0200 Received: from gsep1 (geldorp.xs4all.nl [194.109.161.161]) by smtpzilla2.xs4all.nl (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h97HsdOK083384; Tue, 7 Oct 2003 19:54:39 +0200 (CEST) From: "Ge van Geldorp" To: , Date: Tue, 7 Oct 2003 19:54:38 +0200 Message-ID: <00c201c38cfc$14075d20$0a01a8c0@gse.local> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.2616 Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 Cc: Subject: [ros-kernel] Mailing lists switched over X-BeenThere: ros-kernel@reactos.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.2 Precedence: list Reply-To: ReactOS General List List-Id: ReactOS General List List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 07 Oct 2003 17:55:10 -0000 The ros mailing lists are now switched over to the new reactos.com box. From jimtabor@adsl-64-217-116-74.dsl.hstntx.swbell.net Tue Oct 7 21:16:04 2003 Received: from dutlru2.lr.tudelft.nl (dutlru2.lr.tudelft.nl [130.161.164.58]) by dutlaso.lr.tudelft.nl (8.12.8/8.12.8) with ESMTP id h97JG3s9026255 for ; Tue, 7 Oct 2003 21:16:04 +0200 Received: from dsl-64-217-116-74.dsl.hstntx.swbell.net (root@[64.217.116.74]) by dutlru2.lr.tudelft.nl (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id h97JG2gh017612 for ; Tue, 7 Oct 2003 21:16:03 +0200 Received: from adsl-64-217-116-74.dsl.hstntx.swbell.net (adsl-64-217-116-73.dsl.hstntx.swbell.net [64.217.116.73]) by Tue, 7 Oct 2003 19:13:21 GMTdsl-64-217-116-74.dsl.hstntx.swbell.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id TAA00384 for ; Tue, 7 Oct 2003 19:13:21 GMT Message-ID: <3F831050.3080505@adsl-64-217-116-74.dsl.hstntx.swbell.net> Date: Tue, 07 Oct 2003 19:13:20 +0000 From: James Tabor User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; Linux i586; en-US; rv:1.2b) Gecko/20021016 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: ros-kernel@reactos.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: [ros-kernel] Explorer Compile Error with Linux X-BeenThere: ros-kernel@reactos.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.2 Precedence: list Reply-To: ReactOS General List List-Id: ReactOS General List List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 07 Oct 2003 19:16:04 -0000 Hi! I'm getting this now? It has been more than four weeks since I compiled the current Explorer from the cvs. Thanks James make i386-mingw32-g++ -fexceptions -Os -DNDEBUG -DWIN32 -D_ROS_ -Wall -D_WIN32_IE=0x0501 -D_WIN32_WINNT=0x0501 -I../../../include/wine -I./ -I./ -pipe -march=i386 -D_M_IX86 -c utility/shellclasses.cpp -o shellclasses.o In file included from utility/shellclasses.cpp:32: utility/shellclasses.h: In member function `const TCHAR* COMException::ErrorMessage() const': utility/shellclasses.h:80: warning: unsigned int format, long int arg (arg 3) utility/shellclasses.h: At global scope: utility/shellclasses.h:407: type specifier omitted for parameter `SHGDNF' utility/shellclasses.h:407: parse error before `=' token utility/shellclasses.h:424: type specifier omitted for parameter `SHGDNF' utility/shellclasses.h:424: parse error before `)' token utility/shellclasses.cpp:137: type specifier omitted for parameter `SHGDNF' utility/shellclasses.cpp:137: parse error before `)' token utility/shellclasses.cpp: In function `HRESULT name_from_pidl(...)': utility/shellclasses.cpp:141: `folder' undeclared (first use this function) utility/shellclasses.cpp:141: (Each undeclared identifier is reported only once for each function it appears in.) utility/shellclasses.cpp:141: `pidl' undeclared (first use this function) utility/shellclasses.cpp:141: `flags' undeclared (first use this function) utility/shellclasses.cpp:144: `buffer' undeclared (first use this function) utility/shellclasses.cpp:144: `len' undeclared (first use this function) utility/shellclasses.cpp: At global scope: utility/shellclasses.cpp:260: type specifier omitted for parameter `SHGDNF' utility/shellclasses.cpp:260: parse error before `)' token make: *** [shellclasses.o] Error 1 From gerard.gatineau@laposte.net Tue Oct 7 21:46:24 2003 Received: from dutlru2.lr.tudelft.nl (dutlru2.lr.tudelft.nl [130.161.164.58]) by dutlaso.lr.tudelft.nl (8.12.8/8.12.8) with ESMTP id h97JkNs9026669 for ; Tue, 7 Oct 2003 21:46:23 +0200 Received: from mx.laposte.net (mx.laposte.net [213.30.181.11]) by dutlru2.lr.tudelft.nl (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id h97JkNgh017726 for ; Tue, 7 Oct 2003 21:46:23 +0200 Received: from laposte.net (172.183.209.24) by mx.laposte.net (6.0.053) (authenticated as gerard.gatineau@laposte.net) id 3F4B3BA400EE0826 for Ros-kernel@reactos.com; Tue, 7 Oct 2003 21:45:04 +0200 Message-ID: <3F8317A5.10600@laposte.net> Date: Tue, 07 Oct 2003 21:44:37 +0200 From: gge User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.1; en-US; rv:1.3) Gecko/20030312 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Ros-kernel@reactos.com References: <200310061830.h96IUuF10475@mok.lvcm.com> In-Reply-To: <200310061830.h96IUuF10475@mok.lvcm.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Cc: Subject: [ros-kernel] Re: CVS Update: reactos - BOOT Reactos OK (ndis loading problem) X-BeenThere: ros-kernel@reactos.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.2 Precedence: list Reply-To: ReactOS General List List-Id: ReactOS General List List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 07 Oct 2003 19:46:24 -0000 navaraf@mok.lvcm.com wrote: >CVSROOT: /CVS/ReactOS >Module name: reactos >Repository: ./ >Changes by: navaraf@mok.lvcm.com 03/10/06 11:30:54 > >Modified files: > ./: bootc.lst > >Log message: > Added system32\\drivers\\ndis.sys as it's a boot start driver. > > > > The reactos boot is successful after an update of my local CVS treee and built a new reactos module , to take into account this modification. Thanks Gerard From martin-fuchs@gmx.net Tue Oct 7 21:58:48 2003 Received: from dutlru2.lr.tudelft.nl (dutlru2.lr.tudelft.nl [130.161.164.58]) by dutlaso.lr.tudelft.nl (8.12.8/8.12.8) with ESMTP id h97Jwms9026809 for ; Tue, 7 Oct 2003 21:58:48 +0200 Received: from mail.gmx.net (mail.gmx.net [213.165.64.20]) by dutlru2.lr.tudelft.nl (8.12.10/8.12.10) with SMTP id h97Jwlgh014898 for ; Tue, 7 Oct 2003 21:58:47 +0200 Received: (qmail 17946 invoked by uid 65534); 7 Oct 2003 19:57:41 -0000 Received: from p3EE2D2F4.dip0.t-ipconnect.de (EHLO p3EE2D2F4.dip0.t-ipconnect.de) (62.226.210.244) by mail.gmx.net (mp009) with SMTP; 07 Oct 2003 21:57:41 +0200 X-Authenticated: #3470264 From: Martin Fuchs To: ReactOS General List Subject: Re: [ros-kernel] Explorer Compile Error with Linux Date: Tue, 7 Oct 2003 21:57:43 +0200 User-Agent: KMail/1.5.1 References: <3F831050.3080505@adsl-64-217-116-74.dsl.hstntx.swbell.net> In-Reply-To: <3F831050.3080505@adsl-64-217-116-74.dsl.hstntx.swbell.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Message-Id: <200310072157.43066.martin-fuchs@gmx.net> X-BeenThere: ros-kernel@reactos.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.2 Precedence: list Reply-To: ReactOS General List List-Id: ReactOS General List List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 07 Oct 2003 19:58:48 -0000 On Tue 7. October 2003 21:13, James Tabor wrote: > Hi! > I'm getting this now? It has been more than four weeks since I compiled the > current Explorer from the cvs. > Thanks > James Your compiler complains about not understanding 'SHGDNF'. I guess, you should install. See also the FAQ page at http://www.sky.franken.de/explorer/ . > make > i386-mingw32-g++ -fexceptions -Os -DNDEBUG -DWIN32 -D_ROS_ -Wall > -D_WIN32_IE=0x0501 -D_WIN32_WINNT=0x0501 -I../../../include/wine -I./ -I./ > -pipe -march=i386 -D_M_IX86 -c utility/shellclasses.cpp -o shellclasses.o > In file included from utility/shellclasses.cpp:32: > utility/shellclasses.h: In member function `const TCHAR* > COMException::ErrorMessage() const': > utility/shellclasses.h:80: warning: unsigned int format, long int arg (arg > 3) utility/shellclasses.h: At global scope: > utility/shellclasses.h:407: type specifier omitted for parameter `SHGDNF' > utility/shellclasses.h:407: parse error before `=' token > utility/shellclasses.h:424: type specifier omitted for parameter `SHGDNF' > utility/shellclasses.h:424: parse error before `)' token > utility/shellclasses.cpp:137: type specifier omitted for parameter `SHGDNF' > utility/shellclasses.cpp:137: parse error before `)' token > utility/shellclasses.cpp: In function `HRESULT name_from_pidl(...)': > utility/shellclasses.cpp:141: `folder' undeclared (first use this function) > utility/shellclasses.cpp:141: (Each undeclared identifier is reported only > once for each function it appears in.) > utility/shellclasses.cpp:141: `pidl' undeclared (first use this function) > utility/shellclasses.cpp:141: `flags' undeclared (first use this function) > utility/shellclasses.cpp:144: `buffer' undeclared (first use this function) > utility/shellclasses.cpp:144: `len' undeclared (first use this function) > utility/shellclasses.cpp: At global scope: > utility/shellclasses.cpp:260: type specifier omitted for parameter `SHGDNF' > utility/shellclasses.cpp:260: parse error before `)' token > make: *** [shellclasses.o] Error 1 -- Martin Fuchs martin-fuchs@gmx.net From steven_ed4153@yahoo.com Tue Oct 7 22:22:46 2003 Received: from dutlru2.lr.tudelft.nl (dutlru2.lr.tudelft.nl [130.161.164.58]) by dutlaso.lr.tudelft.nl (8.12.8/8.12.8) with ESMTP id h97KMks9027085 for ; Tue, 7 Oct 2003 22:22:46 +0200 Received: from web21106.mail.yahoo.com (web21106.mail.yahoo.com [216.136.227.108]) by dutlru2.lr.tudelft.nl (8.12.10/8.12.10) with SMTP id h97KMjgh017672 for ; Tue, 7 Oct 2003 22:22:46 +0200 Message-ID: <20031007202237.83269.qmail@web21106.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [66.83.186.125] by web21106.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Tue, 07 Oct 2003 13:22:37 PDT Date: Tue, 7 Oct 2003 13:22:37 -0700 (PDT) From: Steven Edwards To: wine-devel@winehq.com, ros-kernel@reactos.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Cc: Subject: [ros-kernel] GDI and DirectX test suite X-BeenThere: ros-kernel@reactos.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.2 Precedence: list Reply-To: ReactOS General List List-Id: ReactOS General List List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 07 Oct 2003 20:22:47 -0000 Hello, I have post a collection of tests with source code for the GDI and DirectDraw 7 interfaces at http://mail.gleneagle.net/sedwards/gdi/ The authors of the Windows2000 API Blackbook have aggreed to license the tests as public domain with a request for advertising. The ReactOS project has already started using these tests to help in our implementation and they may make a good test for WINE and Winelib. Thanks Steven __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? The New Yahoo! Shopping - with improved product search http://shopping.yahoo.com From jimtabor@adsl-64-217-116-74.dsl.hstntx.swbell.net Tue Oct 7 23:29:24 2003 Received: from dutlru2.lr.tudelft.nl (dutlru2.lr.tudelft.nl [130.161.164.58]) by dutlaso.lr.tudelft.nl (8.12.8/8.12.8) with ESMTP id h97LTOs9027807 for ; Tue, 7 Oct 2003 23:29:24 +0200 Received: from dsl-64-217-116-74.dsl.hstntx.swbell.net (root@[64.217.116.74]) by dutlru2.lr.tudelft.nl (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id h97LTNgh014854 for ; Tue, 7 Oct 2003 23:29:23 +0200 Received: from adsl-64-217-116-74.dsl.hstntx.swbell.net (adsl-64-217-116-73.dsl.hstntx.swbell.net [64.217.116.73]) by Tue, 7 Oct 2003 21:28:41 GMTdsl-64-217-116-74.dsl.hstntx.swbell.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id VAA00684 for ; Tue, 7 Oct 2003 21:28:41 GMT Message-ID: <3F833007.9020802@adsl-64-217-116-74.dsl.hstntx.swbell.net> Date: Tue, 07 Oct 2003 21:28:39 +0000 From: James Tabor User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; Linux i586; en-US; rv:1.2b) Gecko/20021016 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: ReactOS General List Subject: Re: [ros-kernel] Explorer Compile Error with Linux References: <3F831050.3080505@adsl-64-217-116-74.dsl.hstntx.swbell.net> <200310072157.43066.martin-fuchs@gmx.net> In-Reply-To: <3F831050.3080505@adsl-64-217-116-74.dsl.hstntx.swbell.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-BeenThere: ros-kernel@reactos.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.2 Precedence: list Reply-To: ReactOS General List List-Id: ReactOS General List List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 07 Oct 2003 21:29:24 -0000 Martin Fuchs wrote: > > Your compiler complains about not understanding 'SHGDNF'. I guess, you should > install. See also the FAQ page at http://www.sky.franken.de/explorer/ . > Wow! This looks nice! Thanks, James From vizzini@plasmic.com Wed Oct 8 02:39:42 2003 Received: from dutlru2.lr.tudelft.nl (dutlru2.lr.tudelft.nl [130.161.164.58]) by dutlaso.lr.tudelft.nl (8.12.8/8.12.8) with ESMTP id h980dgs9029944 for ; Wed, 8 Oct 2003 02:39:42 +0200 Received: from plasmir.plasmic.com (ident@plasmic.com [209.242.113.80]) by dutlru2.lr.tudelft.nl (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id h980dfgh017604 for ; Wed, 8 Oct 2003 02:39:42 +0200 Received: from CPE-65-30-43-113.kc.rr.com (CPE-65-30-43-113.kc.rr.com [65.30.43.113]) by plasmir.plasmic.com (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-6.6) with ESMTP id h980dhAG017864 for ; Tue, 7 Oct 2003 19:39:43 -0500 From: Vizzini To: ros-kernel@reactos.com Content-Type: text/plain Message-Id: <1065573473.12800.36.camel@bilbo.plasmic.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Ximian Evolution 1.4.5 Date: Tue, 07 Oct 2003 19:37:53 -0500 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none autolearn=no version=2.60 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.60 (1.212-2003-09-23-exp) on plasmir Subject: [ros-kernel] cygwin gdb X-BeenThere: ros-kernel@reactos.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.2 Precedence: list Reply-To: ReactOS General List List-Id: ReactOS General List List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 08 Oct 2003 00:39:43 -0000 I just had a very unfortunate thing happen to me: cygwin auto-upgraded my gdb, and now I can't get it to connect to my vmware for kernel debugging ("COM6 is not a typewriter"). Anyway, I'm sure I'll figure it out after spending way too much time on it... but I thought I might warn others in case anyone else uses this setup. -Vizzini From johol777@student.liu.se Wed Oct 8 09:05:53 2003 Received: from dutlru2.lr.tudelft.nl (dutlru2.lr.tudelft.nl [130.161.164.58]) by dutlaso.lr.tudelft.nl (8.12.8/8.12.8) with ESMTP id h9875rs9032576 for ; Wed, 8 Oct 2003 09:05:53 +0200 Received: from xanadu.unit.liu.se (xanadu.unit.liu.se [130.236.230.147]) by dutlru2.lr.tudelft.nl (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id h9875qgh029000 for ; Wed, 8 Oct 2003 09:05:52 +0200 Received: by xanadu.unit.liu.se (Postfix, from userid 102) id E00AA94C91; Wed, 8 Oct 2003 09:05:21 +0200 (MEST) Received: from liu.se (camelot.unit.liu.se [130.236.230.139]) by xanadu.unit.liu.se (Postfix) with ESMTP id AF6B24D597 for ; Wed, 8 Oct 2003 09:05:20 +0200 (MEST) Received: from [81.225.48.200] by mu.unit.liu.se (mshttpd); Wed, 08 Oct 2003 09:05:20 +0200 From: Johannes Olofsson To: ros-kernel@reactos.com Message-ID: <59a835599237.59923759a835@liu.se> Date: Wed, 08 Oct 2003 09:05:20 +0200 X-Mailer: iPlanet Messenger Express 5.2 HotFix 1.17 (built Jun 23 2003) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Language: en X-Accept-Language: en Priority: normal Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="--319a36287f7a571a" X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-0.1 required=5.0 tests=FROM_ENDS_IN_NUMS,LIU_FROM_MATCHES_LIUSTUDENT version=2.54-liu_1.4 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.54-liu_1.4 (1.174.2.17-2003-05-11-exp) Subject: [ros-kernel] Testing kbduk.dll... X-BeenThere: ros-kernel@reactos.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.2 Precedence: list Reply-To: ReactOS General List List-Id: ReactOS General List List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 08 Oct 2003 07:05:53 -0000 This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ----319a36287f7a571a Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hi! Could somebody with access to a brittish keyboard evaluate this kbduk.dll. It is a modified version of Kbdus.dll in the CVS. Known issues: CapsLock and NumLock has no effect on the keys (at least in ROS...) 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<20031008073958.SGRL13923.imta01a2.registeredsite.com@skynetp4> for ; Wed, 8 Oct 2003 03:39:58 -0400 Message-ID: <017901c38d6f$613d9d20$0100a8c0@skynetp4> From: "Aleksey Bragin" To: "ReactOS General List" References: <59a835599237.59923759a835@liu.se> Subject: Re: [ros-kernel] Testing kbduk.dll... Date: Wed, 8 Oct 2003 11:39:59 +0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1158 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 X-BeenThere: ros-kernel@reactos.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.2 Precedence: list Reply-To: ReactOS General List List-Id: ReactOS General List List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 08 Oct 2003 07:40:31 -0000 Hi! CapsLock and NumLock works fine (though I'm not an englishman, I have a true english keyboard :)). But problem with "\" isn't solved yet --- this key is located to the left of Z button, and when I hit it - nothing happens. Now, to type this slash I have to press down the key to the left of Enter (~ # button). With the best regards, Aleksey Bragin. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Johannes Olofsson" To: Sent: Wednesday, October 08, 2003 11:05 AM Subject: [ros-kernel] Testing kbduk.dll... > Hi! > Could somebody with access to a brittish keyboard evaluate this kbduk.dll. > It is a modified version of Kbdus.dll in the CVS. > Known issues: > CapsLock and NumLock has no effect on the keys (at least in ROS...) > AltGr does not work properly (suggestions about how AltGr is supposed to be handled are more than welcome) > > Regards > Johannes Olofsson > ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- ---- > _______________________________________________ > Ros-kernel mailing list > Ros-kernel@reactos.com > http://reactos.geldorp.nl:8080/mailman/listinfo/ros-kernel From johol777@student.liu.se Wed Oct 8 13:33:26 2003 Received: from dutlru2.lr.tudelft.nl (dutlru2.lr.tudelft.nl [130.161.164.58]) by dutlaso.lr.tudelft.nl (8.12.8/8.12.8) with ESMTP id h98BX6s9002104 for ; Wed, 8 Oct 2003 13:33:25 +0200 Received: from mail.liu.se (mail.liu.se [130.236.1.35]) by dutlru2.lr.tudelft.nl (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id h98BWrgh029188 for ; Wed, 8 Oct 2003 13:32:53 +0200 Received: by mail.liu.se (Postfix, from userid 506) id 11BE320104; Wed, 8 Oct 2003 13:25:49 +0200 (CEST) Received: from elysium.unit.liu.se (elysium.unit.liu.se [130.236.230.145]) by mail.liu.se (Postfix) with ESMTP id B22F120158 for ; Wed, 8 Oct 2003 13:25:48 +0200 (CEST) Received: by elysium.unit.liu.se (Postfix, from userid 102) id 7B90233989; Wed, 8 Oct 2003 13:25:45 +0200 (MEST) Received: from liu.se (camelot.unit.liu.se [130.236.230.139]) by elysium.unit.liu.se (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6482133982 for ; Wed, 8 Oct 2003 13:25:43 +0200 (MEST) Received: from [81.225.50.188] by mu.unit.liu.se (mshttpd); Wed, 08 Oct 2003 13:25:43 +0200 From: Johannes Olofsson To: ReactOS General List Message-ID: <5c46335c1e2e.5c1e2e5c4633@liu.se> Date: Wed, 08 Oct 2003 13:25:43 +0200 X-Mailer: iPlanet Messenger Express 5.2 HotFix 1.17 (built Jun 23 2003) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Language: en Subject: Re: [ros-kernel] Testing kbduk.dll... X-Accept-Language: en Priority: normal Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Disposition: inline X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-0.4 required=5.0 tests=FROM_ENDS_IN_NUMS,LIU_FROM_MATCHES_LIUSTUDENT, LIU_MAILTO_TO_LIUSTUDENT,MAILTO_TO_SPAM_ADDR, QUOTED_EMAIL_TEXT version=2.54-liu_1.4 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.54-liu_1.4 (1.174.2.17-2003-05-11-exp) Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by dutlaso.lr.tudelft.nl id h98BX6s9002104 X-BeenThere: ros-kernel@reactos.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.2 Precedence: list Reply-To: ReactOS General List List-Id: ReactOS General List List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 08 Oct 2003 11:33:28 -0000 Hi! That's strange! It works when I test it in ROS (Well, at least the correspondingkey on my keyboard, but it should still be the same scancode...). Are the other keys mapped correctly? (especially check the shifted number-keys, like '£' and other keys that differ from the US keyboard) Do you test in windows or in ROS? In ROS text-mode I think you still have to apply the patch by Art Yerkes and Hartmut Birr to use keyboard mapping (and either change the name of the dll file or change the hardcoded name in the source). Good luck, and thank you for helping me testing! Regards Johannes Olofsson ----- Original Message ----- From: Aleksey Bragin Date: Wednesday, October 8, 2003 9:39 am Subject: Re: [ros-kernel] Testing kbduk.dll... > Hi! > > CapsLock and NumLock works fine (though I'm not an englishman, I > have a true > english keyboard :)). > > But problem with "\" isn't solved yet --- this key is located to > the left of > Z button, and when I hit it - nothing happens. Now, to type this > slash I > have to press down the key to the left of Enter (~ # button). > > With the best regards, > Aleksey Bragin. > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Johannes Olofsson" > To: > Sent: Wednesday, October 08, 2003 11:05 AM > Subject: [ros-kernel] Testing kbduk.dll... > > > > Hi! > > Could somebody with access to a brittish keyboard evaluate this > kbduk.dll.> It is a modified version of Kbdus.dll in the CVS. > > Known issues: > > CapsLock and NumLock has no effect on the keys (at least in ROS...) > > AltGr does not work properly (suggestions about how AltGr is > supposed to > be handled are more than welcome) > > > > Regards > > Johannes Olofsson > > > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------- > --------- > ---- > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Ros-kernel mailing list > > Ros-kernel@reactos.com > > http://reactos.geldorp.nl:8080/mailman/listinfo/ros-kernel > > _______________________________________________ > Ros-kernel mailing list > Ros-kernel@reactos.com > http://reactos.geldorp.nl:8080/mailman/listinfo/ros-kernel > From tamlin@algonet.se Wed Oct 8 13:38:42 2003 Received: from dutlru2.lr.tudelft.nl (dutlru2.lr.tudelft.nl [130.161.164.58]) by dutlaso.lr.tudelft.nl (8.12.8/8.12.8) with ESMTP id h98Bcgs9002152 for ; Wed, 8 Oct 2003 13:38:42 +0200 Received: from smtp7.hy.skanova.net (smtp7.hy.skanova.net [195.67.199.140]) by dutlru2.lr.tudelft.nl (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id h98Bcggh034602 for ; Wed, 8 Oct 2003 13:38:42 +0200 Received: from putte2k (h29n2fls31o987.telia.com [213.66.43.29]) by smtp7.hy.skanova.net (8.12.10/8.12.10) with SMTP id h98BbQqm007439 for ; Wed, 8 Oct 2003 13:37:26 +0200 (CEST) Message-ID: <002f01c38d90$94d48ab0$0401a8c0@putte2k> From: "Mike Nordell" To: "ReactOS General List" References: <59a835599237.59923759a835@liu.se> Subject: Re: [ros-kernel] Testing kbduk.dll... Date: Wed, 8 Oct 2003 13:37:31 +0200 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4927.1200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4927.1200 X-BeenThere: ros-kernel@reactos.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.2 Precedence: list Reply-To: ReactOS General List List-Id: ReactOS General List List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 08 Oct 2003 11:38:42 -0000 Johannes Olofsson wrote: > AltGr does not work properly (suggestions about how AltGr is > supposed to be handled are more than welcome) If it works the same as AltGr on a swedish keyboard, it generates VK_CONTROL followed by VK_MENU on press (the opposite order on release). Test holding Alt+Ctrl instead of AltGr and try some of those AltGr-specific chars. If that's how it *really* works, or if it's only how it's presented to a Win32 app, I don't know. /Mike From ekohl@rz-online.de Wed Oct 8 14:11:01 2003 Received: from dutlru2.lr.tudelft.nl (dutlru2.lr.tudelft.nl [130.161.164.58]) by dutlaso.lr.tudelft.nl (8.12.8/8.12.8) with ESMTP id h98CB1s9002593 for ; Wed, 8 Oct 2003 14:11:01 +0200 Received: from smtp.rhein-zeitung.DE (smtp.rhein-zeitung.DE [212.7.160.14]) by dutlru2.lr.tudelft.nl (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id h98CB1gh062992 for ; Wed, 8 Oct 2003 14:11:01 +0200 Received: from marvin (pppin-c3-a3.pop-koblenz.rz-online.NET [212.7.163.195]) by smtp.rhein-zeitung.DE (8.12.8/8.12.8) with SMTP id h98CActq022157 for ; Wed, 8 Oct 2003 14:10:39 +0200 Message-ID: <000b01c38d95$bf401f80$0500a8c0@marvin> From: "Eric Kohl" To: "ReactOS Kernel" Date: Wed, 8 Oct 2003 14:10:20 +0200 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="Windows-1252" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4807.1700 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4807.1700 Subject: [ros-kernel] Registry issues X-BeenThere: ros-kernel@reactos.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.2 Precedence: list Reply-To: ReactOS General List List-Id: ReactOS General List List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 08 Oct 2003 12:11:01 -0000 Hi everyone! I got a bug report about a corrupted registry a few days ago. I analyzed the included system hive and found out that a hive file can be damaged in _very_rare_ cases. That's why I did not report it as a showstopper. The main cause of the bug is that a key-cell is modified when a subkey is added but the key-cell's block is not marked dirty if the all the other involved structures are located in other blocks. This causes a dangling-pointer bug if the subkey-list-cell (aka hash-cell) grows and moves to a new location. One major weakness of the NT4-compatible implementation is that two structures, value list cells and value data cells, do not have an id or magic value to verify their identity. My plan is to add the missing id values and implement a test upon load/import in order to verify the integrity of the hive. Any comments? Eric From jonwil@tpgi.com.au Wed Oct 8 14:23:19 2003 Received: from dutlru2.lr.tudelft.nl (dutlru2.lr.tudelft.nl [130.161.164.58]) by dutlaso.lr.tudelft.nl (8.12.8/8.12.8) with ESMTP id h98CNJs9002661 for ; Wed, 8 Oct 2003 14:23:19 +0200 Received: from mail1.tpgi.com.au (mail.tpgi.com.au [203.12.160.57]) by dutlru2.lr.tudelft.nl (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id h98CNHgh049126 for ; Wed, 8 Oct 2003 14:23:18 +0200 Received: from tpgi.com.au (203-219-88-100-per-pow-ts1-2600.tpgi.com.au [203.219.88.100]) by mail1.tpgi.com.au (8.11.6/8.11.6) with ESMTP id h98CMul14750 for ; Wed, 8 Oct 2003 22:23:01 +1000 Message-ID: <3F8401A0.9030400@tpgi.com.au> Date: Wed, 08 Oct 2003 20:22:56 +0800 From: Jonathan Wilson User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.1; en-US; rv:1.5) Gecko/20030925 X-Accept-Language: en-au MIME-Version: 1.0 To: ros-kernel@reactos.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: [ros-kernel] keyboard dlls idea X-BeenThere: ros-kernel@reactos.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.2 Precedence: list Reply-To: ReactOS General List List-Id: ReactOS General List List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 08 Oct 2003 12:23:19 -0000 Why not write something that sits in under the hood somewhere and that can capture scan-codes directly. Then, write an application such that you push a button with the mouse, then press a key twice (once to get the scan-code from the low-level thingo then once to get the VK_xxx keycode) then type a description and it would store the scan-code from the keyboard plus the VK_xxx windows returns for it plus the description into a data file for later conversion into a kbdxxx.dll This way, anyone with a particular multi-national keyboard and kbdxxx.dll file can provide the info to make that dll for ReactOS simply by pressing all the keys on their keyboard. (and the info is obtained in a way that doesnt violate any copyright) I suspect that the low-level bit would need to be a kernel driver of some kind but I dont know what nor do I have the skills to code such a thing. From jasonfilby@yahoo.com Wed Oct 8 16:18:50 2003 Received: from dutlru2.lr.tudelft.nl (dutlru2.lr.tudelft.nl [130.161.164.58]) by dutlaso.lr.tudelft.nl (8.12.8/8.12.8) with ESMTP id h98EIos9003440 for ; Wed, 8 Oct 2003 16:18:50 +0200 Received: from web41511.mail.yahoo.com (web41511.mail.yahoo.com [66.218.93.94]) by dutlru2.lr.tudelft.nl (8.12.10/8.12.10) with SMTP id h98EIngh095512 for ; Wed, 8 Oct 2003 16:18:49 +0200 Message-ID: <20031008141841.79395.qmail@web41511.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [196.23.164.18] by web41511.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Wed, 08 Oct 2003 07:18:41 PDT Date: Wed, 8 Oct 2003 07:18:41 -0700 (PDT) From: Jason Filby Subject: Re: [ros-kernel] Registry issues To: ReactOS General List In-Reply-To: <000b01c38d95$bf401f80$0500a8c0@marvin> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-BeenThere: ros-kernel@reactos.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.2 Precedence: list Reply-To: ReactOS General List List-Id: ReactOS General List List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 08 Oct 2003 14:18:50 -0000 One comment: will you be filing this bug in our Bugzilla installation? :) --- Eric Kohl wrote: > Hi everyone! > > I got a bug report about a corrupted registry a few days ago. I > analyzed the > included system hive and found out that a hive file can be damaged > in > _very_rare_ cases. That's why I did not report it as a showstopper. > The main > cause of the bug is that a key-cell is modified when a subkey is > added but > the key-cell's block is not marked dirty if the all the other > involved > structures are located in other blocks. This causes a > dangling-pointer bug > if the subkey-list-cell (aka hash-cell) grows and moves to a new > location. > > One major weakness of the NT4-compatible implementation is that two > structures, value list cells and value data cells, do not have an > id or > magic value to verify their identity. My plan is to add the missing > id > values and implement a test upon load/import in order to verify the > integrity of the hive. > > Any comments? > > > Eric > > _______________________________________________ > Ros-kernel mailing list > Ros-kernel@reactos.com > http://reactos.geldorp.nl:8080/mailman/listinfo/ros-kernel __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? The New Yahoo! Shopping - with improved product search http://shopping.yahoo.com From ayerkes@speakeasy.net Wed Oct 8 07:06:13 2003 Received: from dutlru2.lr.tudelft.nl (dutlru2.lr.tudelft.nl [130.161.164.58]) by dutlaso.lr.tudelft.nl (8.12.8/8.12.8) with ESMTP id h9856Ds9031882 for ; Wed, 8 Oct 2003 07:06:13 +0200 Received: from mail.speakeasy.net (mail10.speakeasy.net [216.254.0.210]) by dutlru2.lr.tudelft.nl (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id h9856Agh046860 for ; Wed, 8 Oct 2003 07:06:10 +0200 Received: (qmail 31549 invoked from network); 8 Oct 2003 05:06:00 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO apprentice.genxnet.com) ([64.81.145.152]) (envelope-sender ) by mail10.speakeasy.net (qmail-ldap-1.03) with SMTP for ; 8 Oct 2003 05:06:00 -0000 Date: Wed, 8 Oct 2003 00:16:18 -0500 From: art yerkes To: ros-kernel@reactos.com Message-Id: <20031008001618.652abedb.ayerkes@speakeasy.net> X-Mailer: Sylpheed version 0.8.11 (GTK+ 1.2.10; i686-pc-linux-gnu) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="Multipart_Wed__8_Oct_2003_00:16:18_-0500_0891d400" X-Mailman-Approved-At: Wed, 08 Oct 2003 21:30:03 +0200 Subject: [ros-kernel] type type revolution (was keyboard mega-patch) X-BeenThere: ros-kernel@reactos.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.2 Precedence: list Reply-To: ReactOS General List List-Id: ReactOS General List List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 08 Oct 2003 05:06:13 -0000 This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --Multipart_Wed__8_Oct_2003_00:16:18_-0500_0891d400 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit This patch represents some work that I did and Hartmut Birr put corrections to to enable Reactos' keyboard to work correctly and be shared correctly between the blue screen and the windowing system. When this code is in, keyboard events are directed either to csrss or the active window from within win32k.sys. This makes keyboard handling uniform between the graphic screen and the blue screen, as well as making keyboard maps work in both modes. Also, I notice that since I last saw it, the windowing system looks and acts much better. The scroll bar in the console redirector is now visible and the window redraws properly when moved. The next thing I should do is to use the registry to get the name of the keyboard dll. I will probably add that later this week. -- "Should array indices start at 0 or 1? My compromise of 0.5 was rejected without, I thought, proper consideration." - S. 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Alexandre Julliard In-Reply-To: <87wubfwmjl.fsf@mail.wine.dyndns.org> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Cc: wine-devel@winehq.com, "Dimitrie O. Paun" , ros-kernel@reactos.com, Kevin Koltzau Subject: [ros-kernel] Re: Theme configuration options X-BeenThere: ros-kernel@reactos.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.2 Precedence: list Reply-To: ReactOS General List List-Id: ReactOS General List List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 08 Oct 2003 19:39:06 -0000 --- Alexandre Julliard wrote: > Steven Edwards writes: > > > I dont know what the best method is going to be to handle the old > > Winelook option. I think it should just go to /dev/null but I dont > know > > what the result will be on older Win16 apps running with a 9x > Winelook. > > Can anyone comment on this? Is there still a large number of people > > that want to keep this around? > > /dev/null is the right place for it IMO. Thanks m8. This will make our work on the ReactOS controls and dialogs so much simpler. Currently in our fork we have had to just comment out or remove all of this stuff anyway. I will try to get with the rest of the ReactOS people and see if we can do a merge of the controls and common dialogs before our next release to get some help on this. Thanks Steven P.S. You were right at LinuxWorld. the controls should have "just worked" and most do now, our windowing code was a little buggy. __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? The New Yahoo! Shopping - with improved product search http://shopping.yahoo.com From noog@libero.it Wed Oct 8 21:40:12 2003 Received: from dutlru2.lr.tudelft.nl (dutlru2.lr.tudelft.nl [130.161.164.58]) by dutlaso.lr.tudelft.nl (8.12.8/8.12.8) with ESMTP id h98JeCs9006606 for ; Wed, 8 Oct 2003 21:40:12 +0200 Received: from smtp3.libero.it (smtp3.libero.it [193.70.192.127]) by dutlru2.lr.tudelft.nl (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id h98JeCgh094084 for ; Wed, 8 Oct 2003 21:40:12 +0200 Received: from aldebaran (151.25.196.245) by smtp3.libero.it (7.0.020-DD01) id 3F6F04A60062F728 for ros-kernel@reactos.com; Wed, 8 Oct 2003 21:36:22 +0200 Received: from aldebaran (HELO aldebaran.libero.it) [127.0.0.1] by aldebaran (169.254.25.129) with ESMTP (Classic Hamster Vr. 2.0 Build 2.0.0.0) ; Wed, 08 Oct 2003 21:35:51 +0200 Message-Id: <6.0.0.22.2.20031008200055.0391dfc0@pop3.aldebaran> X-Sender: hyperion@pop3.aldebaran (Unverified) X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 6.0.0.22 Date: Wed, 08 Oct 2003 20:21:10 +0200 To: ros-kernel@reactos.com From: "KJK::Hyperion" Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed X-Posting-Agent: Hamster/2.0.0.0 Subject: [ros-kernel] Microsoft-incompatible (== wrong!) definition of KeAddSystemServiceTable X-BeenThere: ros-kernel@reactos.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.2 Precedence: list Reply-To: ReactOS General List List-Id: ReactOS General List List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 08 Oct 2003 19:40:12 -0000 I'm surprised that this went unnoticed so far. We define KeAddSystemServiceTable as: BOOLEAN STDCALL KeAddSystemServiceTable ( PSSDT SSDT, PULONG ServiceCounterTable, ULONG NumberOfServices, PSSPT SSPT, ULONG TableIndex ); with PSSPT defined as: typedef struct t_SSPT { unsigned int ParamBytes; } SSPT, *PSSPT; Well, it's wrong. It should be: typedef struct t_SSPT { unsigned char ParamBytes; } SSPT, *PSSPT; No, KeAddSystemServiceTable isn't documented. But it's a public symbol (KeServiceDescriptorTable too), it's well known, and it should match the Microsoft definition of it From pirata@trekkie.com.ar Wed Oct 8 21:48:50 2003 Received: from dutlru2.lr.tudelft.nl (dutlru2.lr.tudelft.nl [130.161.164.58]) by dutlaso.lr.tudelft.nl (8.12.8/8.12.8) with ESMTP id h98Jmns9006728 for ; Wed, 8 Oct 2003 21:48:50 +0200 Received: from enterprise.sistemas.gha (nnn081167.netverk.com.ar [200.63.81.167] (may be forged)) by dutlru2.lr.tudelft.nl (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id h98JmUgh019526 for ; Wed, 8 Oct 2003 21:48:38 +0200 Received: from pirata.gha (pirata.estudioisi.gha [192.168.3.6]) by enterprise.sistemas.gha (8.11.6/8.11.6) with ESMTP id h98Jm3g31229 for ; Wed, 8 Oct 2003 16:48:10 -0300 From: pirata To: ros-kernel@reactos.com Content-Type: multipart/related; type="multipart/alternative"; boundary="=-1R8xvyKCP/A7eJHNZ9yT" Organization: Message-Id: <1065624138.2053.43.camel@pirata.gha> Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Ximian Evolution 1.2.2-3mdk Subject: [ros-kernel] Hi folks X-BeenThere: ros-kernel@reactos.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.2 Precedence: list Reply-To: ReactOS General List List-Id: ReactOS General List List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Date: Wed, 08 Oct 2003 19:48:50 -0000 X-Original-Date: 08 Oct 2003 16:42:19 +0200 X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 08 Oct 2003 19:48:50 -0000 --=-1R8xvyKCP/A7eJHNZ9yT Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="=-kzOdcGItfMkNSnzYs1BT" --=-kzOdcGItfMkNSnzYs1BT Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hi to everyone! I'm glad to announce... ME! (and hope you'll too :-P) I discovered this cool project surfing at sf search engine and I was amazed =) I've downloaded and tested it, then I tried all the time to join mailing lists, but they were broken in the old site, so I had to wait till now... I can contribute with code, spanish localizations & also with great / lazy / weird ideas For the code part, I'm not a lowlevel guru, but I can contribute API routines, and when time comes on and I get envolved and more familiar perhaps I could write some kernel code... (I think... not sure) First of all... I need this: * Appropriate knowledge and experience with C is essential <- No matter * while knowledge of the Windows APIs does help - although can be learned quickly enough <- Ok, where can I find Win2000/XP complete API, so I start coding... For the spanish localizations... tell me what shall I translate.. I think there would be a LIST of THINGS to translate with priorities, so everyone that can help with it follows a standard importance-order rollmap Obviusly, my passion is to code, so translations will be slower... but they will be, count on it. For the ideas... I'll be annoying whith them all the time, count on it too... Two things (by now) about my bin/src tests: * VGA driver is VERY slow, it could be improved taking a look at Free/AB, I could do some things here if you pont me exactly where is the code, I got bothered finding it at srcs * Src didn't compile, I have latest MingW, contribs, msys, etc installed, but I couldn't find the place for the error (it's related to Makefiles... I think, error is ..IDontRememberWhat.exe executes (it misses '\', and that .exe don't even exists)) That's all by now Best Regards -- pirata --=-kzOdcGItfMkNSnzYs1BT Content-Type: text/html; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hi to everyone!
I'm glad to announce... ME! (and hope you'll too :-P)
I discovered this cool project surfing at sf search engine and I was amazed =)
I've downloaded and tested it, then I tried all the time to join mailing lists, but they were broken in the old site, so I had to wait till now...

I can contribute with code, spanish localizations & also with great / lazy / weird ideas

For the code part, I'm not a lowlevel guru, but I can contribute API routines, and when time comes on and I get envolved and more familiar perhaps I could write some kernel code... (I think... not sure)
First of all... I need this:
* Appropriate knowledge and experience with C is essential <- No matter
* while knowledge of the Windows APIs does help - although can be learned quickly enough <- Ok, where can I find Win2000/XP complete API, so I start coding...

For the spanish localizations... tell me what shall I translate.. I think there would be a LIST of THINGS to translate with priorities, so everyone that can help with it follows a standard importance-order rollmap
Obviusly, my passion is to code, so translations will be slower... but they will be, count on it.

For the ideas... I'll be annoying whith them all the time, count on it too...

Two things (by now) about my bin/src tests:
* VGA driver is VERY slow, it could be improved taking a look at Free/AB, I could do some things here if you pont me exactly where is the code, I got bothered finding it at srcs
* Src didn't compile, I have latest MingW, contribs, msys, etc installed, but I couldn't find the place for the error (it's related to Makefiles... I think, error is ..IDontRememberWhat.exe executes (it misses '\', and that .exe don't even exists))

That's all by now
Best Regards

--
pirata <pirata@trekkie.com.ar>
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This > makes keyboard handling uniform between the graphic screen > and the blue screen, as well as making keyboard maps work in > both modes. Great work! Is there any reason not to just commit this code? Gé van Geldorp From hartmut.birr@gmx.de Wed Oct 8 22:38:07 2003 Received: from dutlru2.lr.tudelft.nl (dutlru2.lr.tudelft.nl [130.161.164.58]) by dutlaso.lr.tudelft.nl (8.12.8/8.12.8) with ESMTP id h98Kc7s9007244 for ; Wed, 8 Oct 2003 22:38:07 +0200 Received: from mail.gmx.net (imap.gmx.net [213.165.64.20]) by dutlru2.lr.tudelft.nl (8.12.10/8.12.10) with SMTP id h98Kc7gh019470 for ; Wed, 8 Oct 2003 22:38:07 +0200 Received: (qmail 25125 invoked by uid 65534); 8 Oct 2003 20:37:01 -0000 Received: from p50830BCB.dip0.t-ipconnect.de (EHLO newdarkstar) (80.131.11.203) by mail.gmx.net (mp014) with SMTP; 08 Oct 2003 22:37:01 +0200 X-Authenticated: #19145161 From: "Hartmut Birr" To: "'ReactOS General List'" Subject: RE: [ros-kernel] Testing kbduk.dll... Date: Wed, 8 Oct 2003 22:37:00 +0200 Message-ID: <000c01c38ddb$edc857f0$0202a8c0@newdarkstar> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.2616 In-Reply-To: <017901c38d6f$613d9d20$0100a8c0@skynetp4> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Importance: Normal X-BeenThere: ros-kernel@reactos.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.2 Precedence: list Reply-To: ReactOS General List List-Id: ReactOS General List List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 08 Oct 2003 20:38:07 -0000 Hi, I see the '\' left from the y (z on non german keyboards) button on my german keyboard with kbduk.dll. Is it possible, that the location of the VK_OEM5 value within scancode_to_vk is wrong or that the '\' value must point to VK_OEM2? It seems that there exist also a problem with WCH_NONE values. Ctrl-e should produce nothing but there is printed a '?'. - Hartmut > -----Original Message----- > From: ros-kernel-bounces@reactos.com > [mailto:ros-kernel-bounces@reactos.com] On Behalf Of Aleksey Bragin > Sent: Wednesday, October 08, 2003 9:40 AM > To: ReactOS General List > Subject: Re: [ros-kernel] Testing kbduk.dll... > > > Hi! > > CapsLock and NumLock works fine (though I'm not an > englishman, I have a true > english keyboard :)). > > But problem with "\" isn't solved yet --- this key is located > to the left of > Z button, and when I hit it - nothing happens. Now, to type > this slash I > have to press down the key to the left of Enter (~ # button). > > With the best regards, > Aleksey Bragin. > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Johannes Olofsson" > To: > Sent: Wednesday, October 08, 2003 11:05 AM > Subject: [ros-kernel] Testing kbduk.dll... > > > > Hi! > > Could somebody with access to a brittish keyboard evaluate > this kbduk.dll. > > It is a modified version of Kbdus.dll in the CVS. > > Known issues: > > CapsLock and NumLock has no effect on the keys (at least in ROS...) > > AltGr does not work properly (suggestions about how AltGr > is supposed to > be handled are more than welcome) > > > > Regards > > Johannes Olofsson > > > > > -------------------------------------------------------------- > -------------- > ---- > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Ros-kernel mailing list > > Ros-kernel@reactos.com > > http://reactos.geldorp.nl:8080/mailman/listinfo/ros-kernel > > _______________________________________________ > Ros-kernel mailing list > Ros-kernel@reactos.com > http://reactos.geldorp.nl:8080/mailman/listinfo/ros-kernel > From xnavara@volny.cz Wed Oct 8 22:54:58 2003 Received: from dutlru2.lr.tudelft.nl (dutlru2.lr.tudelft.nl [130.161.164.58]) by dutlaso.lr.tudelft.nl (8.12.8/8.12.8) with ESMTP id h98Ksvs9007425 for ; Wed, 8 Oct 2003 22:54:58 +0200 Received: from smtp1.vol.cz (smtp1.vol.cz [195.250.128.73]) by dutlru2.lr.tudelft.nl (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id h98Ksvgh049724 for ; Wed, 8 Oct 2003 22:54:57 +0200 Received: from hornet (prahaa-2-56.dialup.vol.cz [62.177.71.165]) by smtp1.vol.cz (8.12.8p2/8.12.8) with SMTP id h98Ksl3j039710 for ; Wed, 8 Oct 2003 22:54:48 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from xnavara@volny.cz) Message-ID: <003a01c38dde$6a53f890$3648b13e@hornet> From: "Filip Navara" To: "ReactOS General List" References: <1065624138.2053.43.camel@pirata.gha> Subject: Re: [ros-kernel] Hi folks Date: Wed, 8 Oct 2003 22:54:49 +0200 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1158 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 X-BeenThere: ros-kernel@reactos.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.2 Precedence: list Reply-To: ReactOS General List List-Id: ReactOS General List List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 08 Oct 2003 20:54:58 -0000 Hi! ----- Original Message ----- From: pirata To: ros-kernel@reactos.com Sent: Wednesday, October 08, 2003 4:42 PM Subject: [ros-kernel] Hi folks > Hi to everyone! > I'm glad to announce... ME! (and hope you'll too ) > I discovered this cool project surfing at sf search engine and I was amazed > I've downloaded and tested it, then I tried all the time to join mailing lists, but they were broken in the old site, so I had to wait till now... > I can contribute with code, spanish localizations & also with great / lazy / weird ideas Great, we have a new developer/translator! > For the code part, I'm not a lowlevel guru, but I can contribute API routines, and when time comes on and I get envolved and more familiar perhaps I could write > some kernel code... (I think... not sure) > First of all... I need this: > * Appropriate knowledge and experience with C is essential <- No matter > * while knowledge of the Windows APIs does help - although can be learned quickly enough <- Ok, where can I find Win2000/XP complete API, so I start > > coding... Try looking at msdn.microsoft.com and/or Wine (www.winehq.com) code. > For the spanish localizations... tell me what shall I translate.. I think there would be a LIST of THINGS to translate with priorities, so everyone that can help with > it follows a standard importance-order rollmap > Obviusly, my passion is to code, so translations will be slower... but they will be, count on it. We don't have lot things to translate yet. (Currently there is only one - the Explorer :-) When the project will get more mature... > For the ideas... I'll be annoying whith them all the time, count on it too... :-) > Two things (by now) about my bin/src tests: > * VGA driver is VERY slow, it could be improved taking a look at Free/AB, I could do some things here if you pont me exactly where is the code, I got bothered finding it at srcs drivers/dd/vga > * Src didn't compile, I have latest MingW, contribs, msys, etc installed, but I couldn't find the place for the error (it's related to Makefiles... I think, error is ..IDontRememberWhat.exe executes (it misses '\', and that .exe don't even exists)) I know what's wrong. 1) When you compile with MSYS, you need to change SEP := \$(EMPTY_VAR) to SEP := / in rules.mak. 2) or you can try "mingw32-make" instead of "make" > That's all by now > Best Regards Good luck FiN > -- > pirata _______________________________________________ Ros-kernel mailing list Ros-kernel@reactos.com http://reactos.geldorp.nl:8080/mailman/listinfo/ros-kernel From hartmut.birr@gmx.de Wed Oct 8 22:58:33 2003 Received: from dutlru2.lr.tudelft.nl (dutlru2.lr.tudelft.nl [130.161.164.58]) by dutlaso.lr.tudelft.nl (8.12.8/8.12.8) with ESMTP id h98KwWs9007511 for ; Wed, 8 Oct 2003 22:58:33 +0200 Received: from mail.gmx.net (imap.gmx.net [213.165.64.20]) by dutlru2.lr.tudelft.nl (8.12.10/8.12.10) with SMTP id h98KwWgh027250 for ; Wed, 8 Oct 2003 22:58:32 +0200 Received: (qmail 27875 invoked by uid 65534); 8 Oct 2003 20:57:26 -0000 Received: from p50830BCB.dip0.t-ipconnect.de (EHLO newdarkstar) (80.131.11.203) by mail.gmx.net (mp005) with SMTP; 08 Oct 2003 22:57:26 +0200 X-Authenticated: #19145161 From: "Hartmut Birr" To: "'ReactOS General List'" Subject: RE: [ros-kernel] type type revolution (was keyboard mega-patch) Date: Wed, 8 Oct 2003 22:57:26 +0200 Message-ID: <001301c38dde$c8126250$0202a8c0@newdarkstar> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.2616 In-Reply-To: <017b01c38dd8$8dc5aae0$0a01a8c0@gse.local> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Importance: Normal Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by dutlaso.lr.tudelft.nl id h98KwWs9007511 X-BeenThere: ros-kernel@reactos.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.2 Precedence: list Reply-To: ReactOS General List List-Id: ReactOS General List List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 08 Oct 2003 20:58:33 -0000 > -----Original Message----- > From: ros-kernel-bounces@reactos.com > [mailto:ros-kernel-bounces@reactos.com] On Behalf Of Ge van Geldorp > Sent: Wednesday, October 08, 2003 10:13 PM > To: 'ReactOS General List' > Subject: RE: [ros-kernel] type type revolution (was keyboard > mega-patch) > > > > Great work! > Is there any reason not to just commit this code? > > Gé van Geldorp > I would like to see this code within the cvs. I'm not sure if Art has write access to the cvs. If not we should give it to him. - Hartmut From jimtabor@adsl-64-217-116-74.dsl.hstntx.swbell.net Wed Oct 8 22:59:19 2003 Received: from dutlru2.lr.tudelft.nl (dutlru2.lr.tudelft.nl [130.161.164.58]) by dutlaso.lr.tudelft.nl (8.12.8/8.12.8) with ESMTP id h98KxJs9007546 for ; Wed, 8 Oct 2003 22:59:19 +0200 Received: from dsl-64-217-116-74.dsl.hstntx.swbell.net (root@[64.217.116.74]) by dutlru2.lr.tudelft.nl (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id h98KxHgh027260 for ; Wed, 8 Oct 2003 22:59:18 +0200 Received: from adsl-64-217-116-74.dsl.hstntx.swbell.net (adsl-64-217-116-73.dsl.hstntx.swbell.net [64.217.116.73]) by Wed, 8 Oct 2003 20:58:38 GMTdsl-64-217-116-74.dsl.hstntx.swbell.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id UAA02697 for ; Wed, 8 Oct 2003 20:58:38 GMT Message-ID: <3F847A7A.30907@adsl-64-217-116-74.dsl.hstntx.swbell.net> Date: Wed, 08 Oct 2003 20:58:34 +0000 From: James Tabor User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; Linux i586; en-US; rv:1.2b) Gecko/20021016 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: ReactOS General List Subject: Re: [ros-kernel] type type revolution (was keyboard mega-patch) References: <017b01c38dd8$8dc5aae0$0a01a8c0@gse.local> In-Reply-To: <017b01c38dd8$8dc5aae0$0a01a8c0@gse.local> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-BeenThere: ros-kernel@reactos.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.2 Precedence: list Reply-To: ReactOS General List List-Id: ReactOS General List List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 08 Oct 2003 20:59:19 -0000 Ge van Geldorp wrote: > >From: art yerkes > > > >This patch represents some work that I did and Hartmut Birr > >put corrections to to enable Reactos' keyboard to work > >correctly and be shared correctly between the blue screen and > >the windowing system. > > > >When this code is in, keyboard events are directed either to > >csrss or the active window from within win32k.sys. This > >makes keyboard handling uniform between the graphic screen > >and the blue screen, as well as making keyboard maps work in > >both modes. > > > Great work! > Is there any reason not to just commit this code? > > Gé van Geldorp > > > No! It looks okay. Sofar so good as I can see. James From ge@gse.nl Wed Oct 8 23:10:12 2003 Received: from dutlru2.lr.tudelft.nl (dutlru2.lr.tudelft.nl [130.161.164.58]) by dutlaso.lr.tudelft.nl (8.12.8/8.12.8) with ESMTP id h98LACs9007652 for ; Wed, 8 Oct 2003 23:10:12 +0200 Received: from smtpzilla3.xs4all.nl (smtpzilla3.xs4all.nl [194.109.127.139]) by dutlru2.lr.tudelft.nl (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id h98LACgh039938 for ; Wed, 8 Oct 2003 23:10:12 +0200 Received: from gsep1 (geldorp.xs4all.nl [194.109.161.161]) by smtpzilla3.xs4all.nl (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h98L9gMf004315 for ; Wed, 8 Oct 2003 23:09:42 +0200 (CEST) From: "Ge van Geldorp" To: "'ReactOS General List'" Subject: RE: [ros-kernel] type type revolution (was keyboard mega-patch) Date: Wed, 8 Oct 2003 23:09:42 +0200 Message-ID: <018c01c38de0$7e06c730$0a01a8c0@gse.local> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.2616 Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 In-Reply-To: <001301c38dde$c8126250$0202a8c0@newdarkstar> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by dutlaso.lr.tudelft.nl id h98LACs9007652 X-BeenThere: ros-kernel@reactos.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.2 Precedence: list Reply-To: ReactOS General List List-Id: ReactOS General List List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 08 Oct 2003 21:10:12 -0000 > From: Hartmut Birr > > > Is there any reason not to just commit this code? > > I would like to see this code within the cvs. I'm not sure if > Art has write access to the cvs. If not we should give it to him. We just agreed on IRC that I will commit the patch since Art doesn't have commit access yet and that Art should be given commit access. Gé van Geldorp. From jimtabor@adsl-64-217-116-74.dsl.hstntx.swbell.net Wed Oct 8 23:26:23 2003 Received: from dutlru2.lr.tudelft.nl (dutlru2.lr.tudelft.nl [130.161.164.58]) by dutlaso.lr.tudelft.nl (8.12.8/8.12.8) with ESMTP id h98LQNs9007796 for ; Wed, 8 Oct 2003 23:26:23 +0200 Received: from dsl-64-217-116-74.dsl.hstntx.swbell.net (root@[64.217.116.74]) by dutlru2.lr.tudelft.nl (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id h98LQLgh014370 for ; Wed, 8 Oct 2003 23:26:22 +0200 Received: from adsl-64-217-116-74.dsl.hstntx.swbell.net (adsl-64-217-116-73.dsl.hstntx.swbell.net [64.217.116.73]) by Wed, 8 Oct 2003 21:25:30 GMTdsl-64-217-116-74.dsl.hstntx.swbell.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id VAA02750 for ; Wed, 8 Oct 2003 21:25:30 GMT Message-ID: <3F8480C6.7070402@adsl-64-217-116-74.dsl.hstntx.swbell.net> Date: Wed, 08 Oct 2003 21:25:26 +0000 From: James Tabor User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; Linux i586; en-US; rv:1.2b) Gecko/20021016 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: ReactOS General List Subject: Re: [ros-kernel] type type revolution (was keyboard mega-patch) References: <018c01c38de0$7e06c730$0a01a8c0@gse.local> In-Reply-To: <018c01c38de0$7e06c730$0a01a8c0@gse.local> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-BeenThere: ros-kernel@reactos.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.2 Precedence: list Reply-To: ReactOS General List List-Id: ReactOS General List List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 08 Oct 2003 21:26:23 -0000 Ge van Geldorp wrote: > >From: Hartmut Birr > > > > > >>Is there any reason not to just commit this code? > > > >I would like to see this code within the cvs. I'm not sure if > >Art has write access to the cvs. If not we should give it to him. > > > We just agreed on IRC that I will commit the patch since Art doesn't > have commit access yet and that Art should be given commit access. > > Gé van Geldorp. > After a make clean I get this error. 386-mingw32-gcc -I../../ntoskrnl/include -I../../lib/freetype/include -DUNICODE -Wall -Werror -D_DISABLE_TIDENTS -D__NTDRIVER__ -I./ -I../../include -pipe -march=i386 -D_M_IX86 -c ntuser/keyboard.c -o ntuser/keyboard.o cc1: warnings being treated as errors ntuser/keyboard.c: In function `W32kGetDefaultKeyLayout': ntuser/keyboard.c:427: warning: passing arg 1 of `InitKbdLayout' from incompatible pointer type make: *** [ntuser/keyboard.o] Error 1 The patch was clean, no errors I could see, Thanks, James From iastrubn@actcom.co.il Wed Oct 8 23:29:00 2003 Received: from dutlru2.lr.tudelft.nl (dutlru2.lr.tudelft.nl [130.161.164.58]) by dutlaso.lr.tudelft.nl (8.12.8/8.12.8) with ESMTP id h98LT0s9007832 for ; Wed, 8 Oct 2003 23:29:00 +0200 Received: from smtp2.actcom.co.il (mail.actcom.co.il [192.114.47.15]) by dutlru2.lr.tudelft.nl (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id h98LSxgh049760 for ; Wed, 8 Oct 2003 23:28:59 +0200 Received: from line108-136.adsl.actcom.co.il (line108-136.adsl.actcom.co.il [192.117.108.136]) by smtp2.actcom.co.il (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id h98LRvrs010044 for ; Wed, 8 Oct 2003 23:27:57 +0200 From: Diego Iastrubni To: ros-kernel@reactos.com Date: Wed, 8 Oct 2003 23:33:22 +0000 User-Agent: KMail/1.5.3 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Message-Id: <200310082333.22244.iastrubn@actcom.co.il> Subject: [ros-kernel] l18n in react os X-BeenThere: ros-kernel@reactos.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.2 Precedence: list Reply-To: ReactOS General List List-Id: ReactOS General List List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 08 Oct 2003 21:29:00 -0000 Hi all, I was wondering what will be the approach in this project for i18n. The approach in MS world is to recompile with new strings. Is it possible to use gettext()? -- diego, 13 Tishrey 5764 Please avoid sending me Word or PowerPoint attachments. See http://www.fsf.org/philosophy/no-word-attachments.html From rfmobile@swbell.net Wed Oct 8 23:47:26 2003 Received: from dutlru2.lr.tudelft.nl (dutlru2.lr.tudelft.nl [130.161.164.58]) by dutlaso.lr.tudelft.nl (8.12.8/8.12.8) with ESMTP id h98LlQs9008022 for ; Wed, 8 Oct 2003 23:47:26 +0200 Received: from mtaw6.prodigy.net (mtaw6.prodigy.net [64.164.98.56]) by dutlru2.lr.tudelft.nl (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id h98LlPgh019612 for ; Wed, 8 Oct 2003 23:47:26 +0200 Received: from swbell.net (adsl-66-142-133-98.dsl.hstntx.swbell.net [66.142.133.98]) by mtaw6.prodigy.net (8.12.9/8.12.3) with ESMTP id h98LdW7S029472 for ; Wed, 8 Oct 2003 14:39:36 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <3F848425.2010200@swbell.net> Date: Wed, 08 Oct 2003 16:39:49 -0500 From: Rick Parrish User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.1; en-US; rv:1.4) Gecko/20030624 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: ReactOS General List Subject: Re: [ros-kernel] l18n in react os References: <200310082333.22244.iastrubn@actcom.co.il> In-Reply-To: <200310082333.22244.iastrubn@actcom.co.il> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-BeenThere: ros-kernel@reactos.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.2 Precedence: list Reply-To: ReactOS General List List-Id: ReactOS General List List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 08 Oct 2003 21:47:26 -0000 Diego Iastrubni wrote: >Hi all, > >I was wondering what will be the approach in this project for i18n. The >approach in MS world is to recompile with new strings. >Is it possible to use gettext()? > > Actually, that's not strictly true - although a lot of developers choose to do it that way. You can have multiple localized resources or separate resource DLLs for each locale. The approach is to be as compatible as possible - UTF-16 and MBCS (UTF-8). -rick From iastrubn@actcom.co.il Thu Oct 9 00:11:06 2003 Received: from dutlru2.lr.tudelft.nl (dutlru2.lr.tudelft.nl [130.161.164.58]) by dutlaso.lr.tudelft.nl (8.12.8/8.12.8) with ESMTP id h98MB5s9008216 for ; Thu, 9 Oct 2003 00:11:06 +0200 Received: from smtp2.actcom.co.il (mail.actcom.co.il [192.114.47.15]) by dutlru2.lr.tudelft.nl (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id h98MB4gh093934 for ; Thu, 9 Oct 2003 00:11:04 +0200 Received: from line108-136.adsl.actcom.co.il (line108-136.adsl.actcom.co.il [192.117.108.136]) by smtp2.actcom.co.il (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id h98MAsrs011725 for ; Thu, 9 Oct 2003 00:10:54 +0200 From: Diego Iastrubni To: ReactOS General List Subject: Re: [ros-kernel] l18n in react os Date: Thu, 9 Oct 2003 00:16:18 +0000 User-Agent: KMail/1.5.3 References: <200310082333.22244.iastrubn@actcom.co.il> <3F848425.2010200@swbell.net> In-Reply-To: <3F848425.2010200@swbell.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-8-i" Content-Disposition: inline Message-Id: <200310090016.18237.iastrubn@actcom.co.il> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by dutlaso.lr.tudelft.nl id h98MB5s9008216 X-BeenThere: ros-kernel@reactos.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.2 Precedence: list Reply-To: ReactOS General List List-Id: ReactOS General List List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 08 Oct 2003 22:11:06 -0000 áéåí øáéòé, 8 áàå÷èåáø 2003, 21:39, ðëúá òì éãé Rick Parrish: > Diego Iastrubni wrote: > >Hi all, > > > >I was wondering what will be the approach in this project for i18n. The > >approach in MS world is to recompile with new strings. > >Is it possible to use gettext()? > > Actually, that's not strictly true - although a lot of developers choose > to do it that way. You can have multiple localized resources or separate > resource DLLs for each locale. The approach is to be as compatible as > possible - UTF-16 and MBCS (UTF-8). i was thinking something similar. how about dynamic layout? try making a dialog for english and then translate it into german. not all words will be visible since german translations are most of the much bigger then english ones. I will not even start talking about rtl and bidi yet. > -rick > > > _______________________________________________ > Ros-kernel mailing list > Ros-kernel@reactos.com > http://reactos.geldorp.nl:8080/mailman/listinfo/ros-kernel -- diego, 13 Tishrey 5764 Please avoid sending me Word or PowerPoint attachments. See http://www.fsf.org/philosophy/no-word-attachments.html From rfmobile@swbell.net Thu Oct 9 00:51:17 2003 Received: from dutlru2.lr.tudelft.nl (dutlru2.lr.tudelft.nl [130.161.164.58]) by dutlaso.lr.tudelft.nl (8.12.8/8.12.8) with ESMTP id h98MpHs9008433 for ; Thu, 9 Oct 2003 00:51:17 +0200 Received: from mtaw6.prodigy.net (mtaw6.prodigy.net [64.164.98.56]) by dutlru2.lr.tudelft.nl (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id h98MpGgh048926 for ; Thu, 9 Oct 2003 00:51:17 +0200 Received: from swbell.net (adsl-66-142-133-98.dsl.hstntx.swbell.net [66.142.133.98]) by mtaw6.prodigy.net (8.12.9/8.12.3) with ESMTP id h98MhQ7S024342 for ; Wed, 8 Oct 2003 15:43:27 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <3F84931F.10801@swbell.net> Date: Wed, 08 Oct 2003 17:43:43 -0500 From: Rick Parrish User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.1; en-US; rv:1.4) Gecko/20030624 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: ReactOS General List Subject: Re: [ros-kernel] l18n in react os References: <200310082333.22244.iastrubn@actcom.co.il> <3F848425.2010200@swbell.net> <200310090016.18237.iastrubn@actcom.co.il> In-Reply-To: <200310090016.18237.iastrubn@actcom.co.il> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-8-I; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-BeenThere: ros-kernel@reactos.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.2 Precedence: list Reply-To: ReactOS General List List-Id: ReactOS General List List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 08 Oct 2003 22:51:18 -0000 Diego Iastrubni wrote: >áéåí øáéòé, 8 áàå÷èåáø 2003, 21:39, ðëúá òì éãé > >i was thinking something similar. >how about dynamic layout? try making a dialog for english and then translate >it into german. not all words will be visible since german translations are >most of the much bigger then english ones. I will not even start talking >about rtl and bidi yet. > If they are win32 dialogs, then each locale gets it's own dialog resource - with appropriate size and dimensions. If you are using a string bundle resource approach, just make sure the windows and child controls are resizable - the user can stretch/shrink the window to the desired size so that the text is visible. I've seen programs that used external text files - users were able to translate or edit them to create new locales. -rick From noog@libero.it Thu Oct 9 00:53:22 2003 Received: from dutlru2.lr.tudelft.nl (dutlru2.lr.tudelft.nl [130.161.164.58]) by dutlaso.lr.tudelft.nl (8.12.8/8.12.8) with ESMTP id h98MrMs9008456 for ; Thu, 9 Oct 2003 00:53:22 +0200 Received: from smtp0.libero.it (smtp0.libero.it [193.70.192.33]) by dutlru2.lr.tudelft.nl (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id h98MrMgh040082 for ; Thu, 9 Oct 2003 00:53:22 +0200 Received: from aldebaran (151.25.196.245) by smtp0.libero.it (7.0.020-DD01) id 3F6F1CE70061E3B8 for ros-kernel@reactos.com; Thu, 9 Oct 2003 00:49:32 +0200 Received: from aldebaran (HELO aldebaran.libero.it) [127.0.0.1] by aldebaran (169.254.25.129) with ESMTP (Classic Hamster Vr. 2.0 Build 2.0.0.0) ; Thu, 09 Oct 2003 00:45:23 +0200 Message-Id: <6.0.0.22.2.20031009002537.039d6600@pop3.aldebaran> X-Sender: hyperion@pop3.aldebaran (Unverified) X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 6.0.0.22 Date: Thu, 09 Oct 2003 00:45:19 +0200 To: ReactOS General List From: "KJK::Hyperion" Subject: Re: [ros-kernel] l18n in react os In-Reply-To: <200310082333.22244.iastrubn@actcom.co.il> References: <200310082333.22244.iastrubn@actcom.co.il> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed X-Posting-Agent: Hamster/2.0.0.0 X-BeenThere: ros-kernel@reactos.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.2 Precedence: list Reply-To: ReactOS General List List-Id: ReactOS General List List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 08 Oct 2003 22:53:22 -0000 At 01.33 09/10/2003, you wrote: >I was wondering what will be the approach in this project for i18n. The >approach in MS world is to recompile with new strings. no. Microsoft used to maintain separate builds for each language, but most other vendors didn't. Currently, even Microsoft has abandoned the old model >Is it possible to use gettext()? I want to be clear: I'm not too fond of excessive "GNU-phily". gettext isn't standard on UNIX ("GNU isn't UNIX"...), neither on Windows, both of which define simple, efficient (and very similar) ways to localize strings. And I don't think the complexity of gettext is justified by anything simpler than an office suite. We don't *need* gettext, we shouldn't paint ourselves in a corner so happily about it. On top of that, add the fact that ReactOS, being Windows, will have to support the MUI API, sooner or later, and we'll likely end up using that From pirata@trekkie.com.ar Thu Oct 9 00:56:46 2003 Received: from dutlru2.lr.tudelft.nl (dutlru2.lr.tudelft.nl [130.161.164.58]) by dutlaso.lr.tudelft.nl (8.12.8/8.12.8) with ESMTP id h98Muks9008510 for ; Thu, 9 Oct 2003 00:56:46 +0200 Received: from enterprise.sistemas.gha (nnn081167.netverk.com.ar [200.63.81.167] (may be forged)) by dutlru2.lr.tudelft.nl (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id h98MuQgh015078 for ; Thu, 9 Oct 2003 00:56:33 +0200 Received: from pirata.gha (pirata.estudioisi.gha [192.168.3.6]) by enterprise.sistemas.gha (8.11.6/8.11.6) with ESMTP id h98MsBg32418 for ; Wed, 8 Oct 2003 19:54:12 -0300 Subject: Re: [ros-kernel] Hi folks From: pirata To: ReactOS General List In-Reply-To: <003a01c38dde$6a53f890$3648b13e@hornet> References: <1065624138.2053.43.camel@pirata.gha> <003a01c38dde$6a53f890$3648b13e@hornet> Content-Type: multipart/related; type="multipart/alternative"; boundary="=-Z/7Ahsj6eE9h7PVqbb6Q" Organization: Message-Id: <1065635306.2216.12.camel@pirata.gha> Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Ximian Evolution 1.2.2-3mdk X-BeenThere: ros-kernel@reactos.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.2 Precedence: list Reply-To: ReactOS General List List-Id: ReactOS General List List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Date: Wed, 08 Oct 2003 22:56:46 -0000 X-Original-Date: 08 Oct 2003 19:48:26 +0200 X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 08 Oct 2003 22:56:46 -0000 --=-Z/7Ahsj6eE9h7PVqbb6Q Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="=-Hrj8/zZMytwuKCVLbtyE" --=-Hrj8/zZMytwuKCVLbtyE Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit El mié, 08 de 10 de 2003 a las 22:54, Filip Navara escribió: > Try looking at msdn.microsoft.com and/or Wine (www.winehq.com) code. > Is Wine code src compatible? I thought it was binary only, (althought I've never seen the sources, only supossed it because wine's dlls porting issues at ReactOS Devel docs) > > For the spanish localizations... tell me what shall I translate.. I think > there would be a LIST of THINGS to translate with priorities, so everyone > that can help with > it follows a standard importance-order rollmap > > Obviusly, my passion is to code, so translations will be slower... but > they will be, count on it. > > We don't have lot things to translate yet. (Currently there is only one - > the Explorer :-) When the project will get more mature... Hey! don't you mind translating docs & website? > > Two things (by now) about my bin/src tests: > > * VGA driver is VERY slow, it could be improved taking a look at Free/AB, > I could do some things here if you pont me exactly where is the code, I got > bothered finding it at srcs > > drivers/dd/vga > I'll give it a look > > * Src didn't compile, I have latest MingW, contribs, msys, etc installed, > but I couldn't find the place for the error (it's related to Makefiles... I > think, error is ..IDontRememberWhat.exe executes (it misses '\', and that > .exe don't even exists)) > > I know what's wrong. > 1) When you compile with MSYS, you need to change SEP := \$(EMPTY_VAR) to > SEP := / in rules.mak. > 2) or you can try "mingw32-make" instead of "make" > Thanks! Best Regards PS: Just remember this: I speak SPANISH... sorry for my bad english speaking, I can translate very well, but it cost TOO MUCH to me to speak my minds directly in english.. :O -- pirata --=-Hrj8/zZMytwuKCVLbtyE Content-Type: text/html; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit El mié, 08 de 10 de 2003 a las 22:54, Filip Navara escribió: 
Try looking at msdn.microsoft.com and/or Wine (www.winehq.com) code.
Is Wine code src compatible? I thought it was binary only, (althought I've never seen the sources, only supossed it because wine's dlls porting issues at ReactOS Devel docs) 
> For the spanish localizations... tell me what shall I translate.. I think
there would be a LIST of THINGS to translate with priorities, so everyone
that can help with > it follows a standard importance-order rollmap
> Obviusly, my passion is to code, so translations will be slower... but
they will be, count on it.

We don't have lot things to translate yet. (Currently there is only one -
the Explorer :-) When the project will get more mature...
Hey! don't you mind translating docs & website? 
> Two things (by now) about my bin/src tests:
> * VGA driver is VERY slow, it could be improved taking a look at Free/AB,
I could do some things here if you pont me exactly where is the code, I got
bothered finding it at srcs

drivers/dd/vga
I'll give it a look 
> * Src didn't compile, I have latest MingW, contribs, msys, etc installed,
but I couldn't find the place for the error (it's related to Makefiles... I
think, error is ..IDontRememberWhat.exe executes (it misses '\', and that
.exe don't even exists))

I know what's wrong.
1) When you compile with MSYS, you need to change SEP := \$(EMPTY_VAR) to
SEP := / in rules.mak.
2) or you can try "mingw32-make" instead of "make"
Thanks!

Best Regards

PS: Just remember this: I speak SPANISH... sorry for my bad english speaking, I can translate very well, but it cost TOO MUCH to me to speak my minds directly in english.. :O 




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Hi all,

I was wondering what will be the approach in this project for i18n. The 
approach in MS world is to recompile with new strings. 
Is it possible to use gettext()?
It's a very good point
I think ReactOS should not be 100% implemented like his counterpart, and gettext would give it the power Linux already has.

Other 2 points:
* I was wondering why are you giving a lot of emphasis to the 'blue screen', forgive me, I'm new here, but... will this 'blue screen' coexist with the 'graphic screen' in the final version?, I've never used WinNT, but I saw it only uses that blue screen while booting and, in my opinion... I prefer XP one ;)
* Following with my 'not 100% like M$ principle' I think the GUI should be more flexible & themeable, like Enlightenment (those people are doing a very cool job with e17).
I'm not saying it must come with a Ganymede theme preinstalled, it can have same MS-Win look & feel 'factory settings', but should have the power to be "eye candy", thats the course ALL piece of software is getting today, look at gtk, enlightenment(obviusly), trillian, winamp, and a lot more, they are so popupar because they are very themeable!

Well... I told I'll be annoying with strange things... 




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You can have multiple localized resources or separate > > resource DLLs for each locale. The approach is to be as compatible as > > possible - UTF-16 and MBCS (UTF-8). >i was thinking something similar. >how about dynamic layout? a-ha! the same instant I read: >>>The approach in MS world is to recompile with new strings. I expected to read something about "dynamic layout". Well, Windows dialogs don't support dynamic layout, period. If you look for dynamic layout in dialogs, you've misunderstood them: dialogs are simple and dumb, and supposed to. But since you certainly *don't* want your main window to be a dialog, the problem doesn't exist >try making a dialog for english and then translate it into german. not all >words will be visible since german translations are most of the much >bigger then english ones. you can't add dynamic layout to dialogs without causing an unstoppable chain reaction of third-party application breakage. Want to write your own layout engine anyway? you're welcome, just throw it on top of that mile-high pile of layout engines over there, when you're done >I will not even start talking about rtl and bidi yet. Windows supports RTL layouts perfectly: just set the appropriate style bit for a window, and everything in the window's DC gets automatically mirrored. In most cases you don't even need to touch your code. BIDI? recent versions of Windows have added support for complex scripts - you could even write in alternate ltr-rtl mode, or in vertical. We don't have to invent anything: like usual, those kind folks at Redmond have already done all the boring research for us From ge@gse.nl Thu Oct 9 08:20:32 2003 Received: from dutlru2.lr.tudelft.nl (dutlru2.lr.tudelft.nl [130.161.164.58]) by dutlaso.lr.tudelft.nl (8.12.8/8.12.8) with ESMTP id h996KWs9011389 for ; Thu, 9 Oct 2003 08:20:32 +0200 Received: from smtpzilla1.xs4all.nl (smtpzilla1.xs4all.nl [194.109.127.137]) by dutlru2.lr.tudelft.nl (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id h996KVgh049804 for ; Thu, 9 Oct 2003 08:20:31 +0200 Received: from gsep1 (geldorp.xs4all.nl [194.109.161.161]) by smtpzilla1.xs4all.nl (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h996K12l011692 for ; Thu, 9 Oct 2003 08:20:01 +0200 (CEST) From: "Ge van Geldorp" To: "'ReactOS General List'" Subject: RE: [ros-kernel] type type revolution (was keyboard mega-patch) Date: Thu, 9 Oct 2003 08:20:00 +0200 Message-ID: <01ae01c38e2d$5f0520f0$0a01a8c0@gse.local> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.2616 Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 In-Reply-To: <018c01c38de0$7e06c730$0a01a8c0@gse.local> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by dutlaso.lr.tudelft.nl id h996KWs9011389 X-BeenThere: ros-kernel@reactos.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.2 Precedence: list Reply-To: ReactOS General List List-Id: ReactOS General List List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 09 Oct 2003 06:20:32 -0000 > From: Ge van Geldorp > > We just agreed on IRC that I will commit the patch since Art > doesn't have commit access yet and that Art should be given > commit access. Since ros-cvs is not quite operational yet: the patch is committed. Gé van Geldorp From iastrubn@actcom.co.il Thu Oct 9 14:51:05 2003 Received: from dutlru2.lr.tudelft.nl (dutlru2.lr.tudelft.nl [130.161.164.58]) by dutlaso.lr.tudelft.nl (8.12.8/8.12.8) with ESMTP id h99Cp5s9013801 for ; Thu, 9 Oct 2003 14:51:05 +0200 Received: from smtp2.actcom.co.il (mail.actcom.co.il [192.114.47.15]) by dutlru2.lr.tudelft.nl (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id h99Cp4gh092548 for ; Thu, 9 Oct 2003 14:51:05 +0200 Received: from line108-136.adsl.actcom.co.il (line108-136.adsl.actcom.co.il [192.117.108.136]) by smtp2.actcom.co.il (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id h99Co3rs017274 for ; Thu, 9 Oct 2003 14:50:03 +0200 From: Diego Iastrubni To: ReactOS General List Subject: Re: [ros-kernel] l18n in react os Date: Thu, 9 Oct 2003 14:55:27 +0000 User-Agent: KMail/1.5.3 References: <200310082333.22244.iastrubn@actcom.co.il> <6.0.0.22.2.20031009002537.039d6600@pop3.aldebaran> In-Reply-To: <6.0.0.22.2.20031009002537.039d6600@pop3.aldebaran> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-8-i" Content-Disposition: inline Message-Id: <200310091455.27935.iastrubn@actcom.co.il> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by dutlaso.lr.tudelft.nl id h99Cp5s9013801 X-BeenThere: ros-kernel@reactos.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.2 Precedence: list Reply-To: ReactOS General List List-Id: ReactOS General List List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 09 Oct 2003 12:51:05 -0000 áéåí øáéòé, 8 áàå÷èåáø 2003, 22:45, ðëúá òì éãé KJK::Hyperion: > At 01.33 09/10/2003, you wrote: > >I was wondering what will be the approach in this project for i18n. The > >approach in MS world is to recompile with new strings. > > no. Microsoft used to maintain separate builds for each language, but most > other vendors didn't. Currently, even Microsoft has abandoned the old model > > >Is it possible to use gettext()? > > I want to be clear: I'm not too fond of excessive "GNU-phily". gettext > isn't standard on UNIX ("GNU isn't UNIX"...), neither on Windows, both of > which define simple, efficient (and very similar) ways to localize strings. > And I don't think the complexity of gettext is justified by anything > simpler than an office suite. We don't *need* gettext, we shouldn't paint > ourselves in a corner so happily about it. On top of that, add the fact > that ReactOS, being Windows, will have to support the MUI API, sooner or > later, and we'll likely end up using that I would like to disagree with you if you don't mind. Using gettetxt means only adding I18N() before each string. for example: "I18N("hello world!"). The string extraction is done automagically by the auto* magic, and trust me the translation is easy, since you have a few programs which can edit them graphically (google for poedit, they have a windows version). I am sorry, but editing strings inside DLL's does seem intimidating to me now. About you other mail. >>I will not even start talking about rtl and bidi yet. >Windows supports RTL layouts perfectly: just set the appropriate style bit >for a window, and everything in the window's DC gets automatically >mirrored. In most cases you don't even need to touch your code. BIDI? >recent versions of Windows have added support for complex scripts - you >could even write in alternate ltr-rtl mode, or in vertical. We don't have >to invent anything: like usual, those kind folks at Redmond have already >done all the boring research for us I am sorry to inform you that BIDI is much more complex that that. I can try and explain what is it, but it will be long. Maybe another thread. (what if you mix languages in one line for example? try moving the cursor in the first line of this mail, opefully you use some mail client which supports unicode). Don't worry, wine does already implement BIDi with the use of ICS (a library developed by IBM). I will get into that when time arrives. Don't worry. Details will come in time (if someone request) since it's really not needed yet. You talked about a style bit which mirrors a window. Please send me a source code which demonstrate this. If I am correct it will only mirror the window frame, not the client side (that's what I remember from my experience). IMHO it looks really ugly and should not be used, since it confuses people a lot (again from experience). Rick Parrish wrote: >If they are win32 dialogs, then each locale gets it's own dialog >resource - with appropriate size and dimensions. Does that means that for each language the translator needs to resize the widgets manually? As you can see, I do come from Linux world so I may think differently then you sometimes. That is not always bad, I may have good ideas once in a time... -- diego, 13 Tishrey 5764 Please avoid sending me Word or PowerPoint attachments. See http://www.fsf.org/philosophy/no-word-attachments.html From noog@libero.it Fri Oct 10 04:45:10 2003 Received: from dutlru2.lr.tudelft.nl (dutlru2.lr.tudelft.nl [130.161.164.58]) by dutlaso.lr.tudelft.nl (8.12.8/8.12.8) with ESMTP id h9A2jAs9019522 for ; Fri, 10 Oct 2003 04:45:10 +0200 Received: from smtp1.libero.it (smtp1.libero.it [193.70.192.51]) by dutlru2.lr.tudelft.nl (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id h9A2jAfU066228 for ; Fri, 10 Oct 2003 04:45:10 +0200 Received: from aldebaran (151.25.179.221) by smtp1.libero.it (7.0.020-DD01) id 3F6F0E48006889FD for ros-kernel@reactos.com; Fri, 10 Oct 2003 04:41:48 +0200 Received: from aldebaran (HELO aldebaran.libero.it) [127.0.0.1] by aldebaran (169.254.25.129) with ESMTP (Classic Hamster Vr. 2.0 Build 2.0.0.0) ; Fri, 10 Oct 2003 04:37:58 +0200 Message-Id: <6.0.0.22.2.20031009215949.04c7a090@pop3.aldebaran> X-Sender: hyperion@pop3.aldebaran (Unverified) X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 6.0.0.22 Date: Fri, 10 Oct 2003 02:19:32 +0200 To: ReactOS General List From: "KJK::Hyperion" Subject: Re: [ros-kernel] l18n in react os In-Reply-To: <200310091455.27935.iastrubn@actcom.co.il> References: <200310082333.22244.iastrubn@actcom.co.il> <6.0.0.22.2.20031009002537.039d6600@pop3.aldebaran> <200310091455.27935.iastrubn@actcom.co.il> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed X-Posting-Agent: Hamster/2.0.0.0 X-BeenThere: ros-kernel@reactos.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.2 Precedence: list Reply-To: ReactOS General List List-Id: ReactOS General List List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 10 Oct 2003 02:45:10 -0000 At 16.55 09/10/2003, you wrote: >I would like to disagree with you if you don't mind. >Using gettetxt means only adding I18N() before each string. for example: >"I18N("hello world!"). I know gettext isn't that trivial, and you know it too. If that's all gettext does, one doesn't see why it's that necessary, right? >I am sorry, but editing strings inside DLL's does seem intimidating to me now. what's the difference? you'll still need an editor of some sort. And once you have an editor, it doesn't matter much if the format is DLL or whatever else >I am sorry to inform you that BIDI is much more complex that that. I can >try and explain what is it, but it will be long. Maybe another thread. the RichEdit 3.0 control from Microsoft supports all of that, and more. I wouldn't be surprised if you never heard about it: Microsoft always does the good stuff quietly (what are they, ashamed of not sucking? is sucking their corporate standard? their mission statement? figures) >(what if you mix languages in one line for example? try moving the cursor >in the first line of this mail, opefully you use some mail client which >supports unicode). nobody has found a good solution for this - _in plaintext_. Rich text isn't affected, and this is the strongest argument in favor of HTML mail >You talked about a style bit which mirrors a window. Please send me a >source code which demonstrate this. I'll pass. Too much of a hassle. The style is WS_EX_LAYOUTRTL: note it down and try it by yourself, whenever you feel like. You'll see how it Just Works (TM). I've personally tried on a couple of programs of mine, and it worked seamlessly (but I actually understand the coordinate model of the Windows GDI, I'm minority) >If I am correct it will only mirror the window frame, not the client side It mirrors the device context of the client area, therefore it mirrors all painting operations and the coordinate system itself - all children windows get automatically mirrored, in position and content >Does that means that for each language the translator needs to resize the >widgets manually? you are looking at it from the wrong angle: it means that the *resource editor* has to do it. Dialogs have a static layout by design. Just get over it, it's not going to change anytime soon (but, like I said, you don't write applications with Win32 dialogs. You write, well, dialogs. Property sheets, mostly) >As you can see, I do come from Linux world so I may think differently then >you sometimes. That is not always bad, I may have good ideas once in a time... we have no time for good ideas, sorry. We are rewriting Windows, here From johol777@student.liu.se Sat Oct 11 11:43:25 2003 Received: from dutlru2.lr.tudelft.nl (dutlru2.lr.tudelft.nl [130.161.164.58]) by dutlaso.lr.tudelft.nl (8.12.8/8.12.8) with ESMTP id h9B9hPs9031443 for ; Sat, 11 Oct 2003 11:43:25 +0200 Received: from mail.liu.se (argus.unit.liu.se [130.236.1.141]) by dutlru2.lr.tudelft.nl (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id h9B9hPfU112842 for ; Sat, 11 Oct 2003 11:43:25 +0200 Received: by mail.liu.se (Postfix, from userid 506) id A061820000; Sat, 11 Oct 2003 11:43:16 +0200 (CEST) Received: from elysium.unit.liu.se (elysium.unit.liu.se [130.236.230.145]) by mail.liu.se (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0C50F20000 for ; Sat, 11 Oct 2003 11:43:16 +0200 (CEST) Received: by elysium.unit.liu.se (Postfix, from userid 102) id 360B733923; Sat, 11 Oct 2003 11:43:14 +0200 (MEST) Received: from liu.se (camelot.unit.liu.se [130.236.230.139]) by elysium.unit.liu.se (Postfix) with ESMTP id 806E033928 for ; Sat, 11 Oct 2003 11:43:12 +0200 (MEST) Received: from [81.225.51.53] by mu.unit.liu.se (mshttpd); Sat, 11 Oct 2003 11:43:12 +0200 From: Johannes Olofsson To: ReactOS General List Message-ID: <6fcce57029ba.7029ba6fcce5@liu.se> Date: Sat, 11 Oct 2003 11:43:12 +0200 X-Mailer: iPlanet Messenger Express 5.2 HotFix 1.17 (built Jun 23 2003) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Language: en Subject: Re: RE: [ros-kernel] Testing kbduk.dll... X-Accept-Language: en Priority: normal Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.60-liu_1.5 (1.212-2003-09-23-exp) on argus.unit.liu.se X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=FROM_ENDS_IN_NUMS, LIU_FROM_MATCHES_LIUSTUDENT,LIU_MAILTO_TO_LIUSTUDENT, MAILTO_TO_SPAM_ADDR autolearn=no version=2.60-liu_1.5 X-BeenThere: ros-kernel@reactos.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.2 Precedence: list Reply-To: ReactOS General List List-Id: ReactOS General List List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 11 Oct 2003 09:43:25 -0000 Hi, Hartmut The reason that the key was mapped wrong when he tried it seems to be that he tested in text mode without the keyboard patch (the default US mapping was used). You are right that ctrl-e shouldn't produce any output. If I get time I will have a closer look at it. Regards Johannes Olofsson ----- Original Message ----- From: Hartmut Birr Date: Wednesday, October 8, 2003 10:37 pm Subject: RE: [ros-kernel] Testing kbduk.dll... > Hi, > > I see the '\' left from the y (z on non german keyboards) button > on my > german keyboard with kbduk.dll. Is it possible, that the location > of the > VK_OEM5 value within scancode_to_vk is wrong or that the '\' value > mustpoint to VK_OEM2? It seems that there exist also a problem > with WCH_NONE > values. Ctrl-e should produce nothing but there is printed a '?'. > > - Hartmut > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: ros-kernel-bounces@reactos.com > > [ros-kernel-bounces@reactos.com] On Behalf Of Aleksey Bragin > > Sent: Wednesday, October 08, 2003 9:40 AM > > To: ReactOS General List > > Subject: Re: [ros-kernel] Testing kbduk.dll... > > > > > > Hi! > > > > CapsLock and NumLock works fine (though I'm not an > > englishman, I have a true > > english keyboard :)). > > > > But problem with "\" isn't solved yet --- this key is located > > to the left of > > Z button, and when I hit it - nothing happens. Now, to type > > this slash I > > have to press down the key to the left of Enter (~ # button). > > > > With the best regards, > > Aleksey Bragin. > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "Johannes Olofsson" > > To: > > Sent: Wednesday, October 08, 2003 11:05 AM > > Subject: [ros-kernel] Testing kbduk.dll... > > > > > > > Hi! > > > Could somebody with access to a brittish keyboard evaluate > > this kbduk.dll. > > > It is a modified version of Kbdus.dll in the CVS. > > > Known issues: > > > CapsLock and NumLock has no effect on the keys (at least in > ROS...)> > AltGr does not work properly (suggestions about how > AltGr > > is supposed to > > be handled are more than welcome) > > > > > > Regards > > > Johannes Olofsson > > > > > > > > > -------------------------------------------------------------- > > -------------- > > ---- > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > Ros-kernel mailing list > > > Ros-kernel@reactos.com > > > http://reactos.geldorp.nl:8080/mailman/listinfo/ros-kernel > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Ros-kernel mailing list > > Ros-kernel@reactos.com > > http://reactos.geldorp.nl:8080/mailman/listinfo/ros-kernel > > > > _______________________________________________ > Ros-kernel mailing list > Ros-kernel@reactos.com > http://reactos.geldorp.nl:8080/mailman/listinfo/ros-kernel > From steven_ed4153@yahoo.com Sun Oct 12 00:40:23 2003 Received: from dutlru2.lr.tudelft.nl (dutlru2.lr.tudelft.nl [130.161.164.58]) by dutlaso.lr.tudelft.nl (8.12.8/8.12.8) with ESMTP id h9BMeMs9007388 for ; Sun, 12 Oct 2003 00:40:23 +0200 Received: from web21107.mail.yahoo.com (web21107.mail.yahoo.com [216.136.227.109]) by dutlru2.lr.tudelft.nl (8.12.10/8.12.10) with SMTP id h9BMeLfU039924 for ; Sun, 12 Oct 2003 00:40:22 +0200 Message-ID: <20031011224019.38354.qmail@web21107.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [66.83.186.125] by web21107.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Sat, 11 Oct 2003 15:40:19 PDT Date: Sat, 11 Oct 2003 15:40:19 -0700 (PDT) From: Steven Edwards To: dpaun@rogers.com, wine-devel@winehq.com In-Reply-To: <200310111129.06252.dpaun@rogers.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Cc: ros-kernel@reactos.com Subject: [ros-kernel] Re: WINE porting templates X-BeenThere: ros-kernel@reactos.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.2 Precedence: list Reply-To: ReactOS General List List-Id: ReactOS General List List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 11 Oct 2003 22:40:23 -0000 --- "Dimitrie O. Paun" wrote: > Actually, we should also have a ReactOS column under the OSes... I really dont want to have a ReactOS column in the list as the ReactOS project is planning on properly branching winehq cvs when WINE reaches reaches 0.9/1.0. I dont want people who have problems with the ReactOS-WINE dlls to flood you guys with bug reports and such. I will of course start making bleeding edge builds of Winehq CVS for Mingw and these dlls and programs will be able to run on ReactOS but I dont expect the WINE project to try and support the ReactOS fork and that will end up happening. Thanks Steven __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? The New Yahoo! Shopping - with improved product search http://shopping.yahoo.com From bblaauw@home.nl Sun Oct 12 00:55:29 2003 Received: from dutlru2.lr.tudelft.nl (dutlru2.lr.tudelft.nl [130.161.164.58]) by dutlaso.lr.tudelft.nl (8.12.8/8.12.8) with ESMTP id h9BMtSs9007446 for ; Sun, 12 Oct 2003 00:55:28 +0200 Received: from smtpq1.home.nl (smtpq1.home.nl [213.51.128.196]) by dutlru2.lr.tudelft.nl (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id h9BMtSfU093814 for ; Sun, 12 Oct 2003 00:55:28 +0200 Received: from [213.51.128.134] (port=50885 helo=smtp3.home.nl) by smtpq1.home.nl with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 1A8Sdx-0006yi-Gp for ros-kernel@reactos.com; Sun, 12 Oct 2003 00:55:25 +0200 Received: from [213.51.37.153] (port=33569 helo=willem) by smtp3.home.nl with smtp (Exim 4.20) id 1A8Sdr-0000Gd-Bm; Sun, 12 Oct 2003 00:55:19 +0200 Message-ID: <001601c3904a$c1114520$0a01a8c0@willem> From: "Bernd Blaauw" To: References: <20031005133826.71044.qmail@web41501.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Sun, 12 Oct 2003 00:55:23 +0200 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0013_01C3905B.84754F10" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1158 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 X-AtHome-MailScanner-Information: Neem contact op met support@home.nl voor meer informatie X-AtHome-MailScanner: Found to be clean Cc: bblaauw@home.nl Subject: [ros-kernel] ReactOS feedback X-BeenThere: ros-kernel@reactos.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.2 Precedence: list Reply-To: ReactOS General List List-Id: ReactOS General List List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 11 Oct 2003 22:55:29 -0000 This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0013_01C3905B.84754F10 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit people, what's going on exactly? yesterday ReactOS.com site (new one, www.reactos.com URL however) mentioned 0.1.4 release, gave no download links and everything spoke about 0.1.3 today, www.reactos.com site cannot be found. did a search at sourceforge.net for ReactOS and thus found the released 0.1.4 version. After downloading ReactOS 0.1.4 ISO I tried it in Vmware with below/attached result Vmware Workstation 4.0.2 running on WindowsXP ServicePack1 MSDOS guest machine profile (4GB IDE disk, 16MB ram) ReactOS 0.1.4 ISO 'mounted' as cdrom device. it was booting from cdrom (harddisk still unpartitioned), started loading driver up to and including blue.sys, and then the error screen appeared. Is there a site for downloading compiled Nightly builds (preferably ISO :) )? 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Iastrubni To: ReactOS General List , "Bernd Blaauw" Subject: Re: [ros-kernel] ReactOS feedback Date: Sun, 12 Oct 2003 01:10:30 +0000 User-Agent: KMail/1.5.3 References: <20031005133826.71044.qmail@web41501.mail.yahoo.com> <001601c3904a$c1114520$0a01a8c0@willem> In-Reply-To: <001601c3904a$c1114520$0a01a8c0@willem> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-8-i" Content-Disposition: inline Message-Id: <200310120110.30538.iastrubn@actcom.co.il> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by dutlaso.lr.tudelft.nl id h9BN5Xs9007746 Cc: bblaauw@home.nl X-BeenThere: ros-kernel@reactos.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.2 Precedence: list Reply-To: ReactOS General List List-Id: ReactOS General List List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 11 Oct 2003 23:05:37 -0000 try setting the guest OS to win2k works for me on Bochs, but not on real h/w btw. áùáú, 11 áàå÷èåáø 2003, 22:55, ðëúá òì éãé Bernd Blaauw: > people, > > what's going on exactly? yesterday ReactOS.com site (new one, > www.reactos.com URL however) mentioned 0.1.4 release, gave no download > links and everything spoke about 0.1.3 > > today, www.reactos.com site cannot be found. > > did a search at sourceforge.net for ReactOS and thus found the released > 0.1.4 version. > After downloading ReactOS 0.1.4 ISO I tried it in Vmware with > below/attached result > > Vmware Workstation 4.0.2 running on WindowsXP ServicePack1 > MSDOS guest machine profile (4GB IDE disk, 16MB ram) > ReactOS 0.1.4 ISO 'mounted' as cdrom device. > > it was booting from cdrom (harddisk still unpartitioned), started loading > driver up to and including blue.sys, and then the error screen appeared. > > Is there a site for downloading compiled Nightly builds (preferably ISO > > :) )? > > Bernd Blaauw -- diego, 16 Tishrey 5764 Please avoid sending me Word or PowerPoint attachments. See http://www.fsf.org/philosophy/no-word-attachments.html From fd0man@chadeux.homelinux.net Sun Oct 12 02:21:26 2003 Received: from dutlru2.lr.tudelft.nl (dutlru2.lr.tudelft.nl [130.161.164.58]) by dutlaso.lr.tudelft.nl (8.12.8/8.12.8) with ESMTP id h9C0LQs9009715 for ; Sun, 12 Oct 2003 02:21:26 +0200 Received: from chadeux.homelinux.net (cblmdm204-118-177-204.buckeye-express.com [204.118.177.204]) by dutlru2.lr.tudelft.nl (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id h9C0LPfU061928 for ; Sun, 12 Oct 2003 02:21:25 +0200 Received: from chadeux.homelinux.net (IDENT:1000@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by chadeux.homelinux.net (8.12.8/8.12.8) with ESMTP id h9C0HMng004606; Sat, 11 Oct 2003 20:17:22 -0400 Received: from localhost (fd0man@localhost) by chadeux.homelinux.net (8.12.8/8.12.8/Submit) with ESMTP id h9C0HLux004603; Sat, 11 Oct 2003 20:17:21 -0400 Date: Sat, 11 Oct 2003 20:17:18 -0400 (EDT) From: "Michael B. Trausch" To: Vizzini In-Reply-To: <1065899946.17369.97.camel@bilbo.plasmic.com> Message-ID: References: <3F867B83.2090401@comcast.net> <1065800047.13593.31.camel@bilbo.plasmic.com> <20031011113557.377c1da9.reactos@jacquido.demon.nl> <1065899946.17369.97.camel@bilbo.plasmic.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Cc: ros-kernel@reactos.com Subject: [ros-kernel] Re: [Ros-general] A couple points and a question X-BeenThere: ros-kernel@reactos.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.2 Precedence: list Reply-To: ReactOS General List List-Id: ReactOS General List List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 12 Oct 2003 00:21:26 -0000 -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 On Sat, 11 Oct 2003, Vizzini wrote: > > I, for one, use Linux for all my daily work (including ReactOS > development) so I'd like to see the environment support Linux too. > > So I'll propose a name for this kit (and a very creative one at that): > ReactOS Development Kit (RDK), supporting both user-mode and kernel-mode > development. > Sweetness. I CC'd this to the list 'cuz your mail didn't go there in the first place... lol, are the lists messed up again? I just wanted to know about the Linux devel kit, 'cuz I had a VERY hard time trying to create the cross-compiler for doing any ReactOS work, and so... yeah... uhm, about documentation, guys, is there anything in particular that the project needs research done on, right now? I am mostly available, while in between trying to jobhunt, 'cuz I'm trying to find work *sigh*... being laid off sucks, a lot. TTYL, Mike Michael B. Trausch AIM: MBTrausch 720 Orchard St. E-mail: fd0man@chadeux.homelinux.net Toledo, OH 43609 Second E-Mail: fd0man@yahoo.com (419) 514-5047 Web: http://chadeux.homelinux.net - ----------------------------------------------------------------- People will forget what you said and what you did, but they will never forget how you made them feel. - ----------------------------------------------------------------- NOTICE: fd0man@yahoo.com's key is REVOKED. Please do not use it Revokation Certificate is in the zip file @ the website below. - ----------------------------------------------------------------- If you'd like to send me secure mail, please obtain my gpg public key from my website, listed below, or if you have a Unix system: finger fd0man@chadeux.homelinux.net |less http://chadeux.homelinux.net/users/fd0man/ -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.2.1 (GNU/Linux) iD8DBQE/iJ2Q85RqKeHavSsRAoyTAJ9EcUoS+3AZlZAzOTtmsBfK8HWUIACggz+0 7QmwxjF2e2Cy3e7GLXTQn/E= =eQjG -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- From vizzini@plasmic.com Sun Oct 12 09:08:48 2003 Received: from dutlru2.lr.tudelft.nl (dutlru2.lr.tudelft.nl [130.161.164.58]) by dutlaso.lr.tudelft.nl (8.12.8/8.12.8) with ESMTP id h9C78ms9027917 for ; Sun, 12 Oct 2003 09:08:48 +0200 Received: from plasmir.plasmic.com (ident@plasmic.com [209.242.113.80]) by dutlru2.lr.tudelft.nl (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id h9C78lfU019534 for ; Sun, 12 Oct 2003 09:08:47 +0200 Received: from CPE-65-30-38-76.kc.rr.com (CPE-65-30-38-76.kc.rr.com [65.30.38.76]) by plasmir.plasmic.com (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-6.6) with ESMTP id h9C78hE4012966; Sun, 12 Oct 2003 02:08:44 -0500 From: Vizzini To: "Michael B. Trausch" In-Reply-To: References: <3F867B83.2090401@comcast.net> <1065800047.13593.31.camel@bilbo.plasmic.com> <20031011113557.377c1da9.reactos@jacquido.demon.nl> <1065899946.17369.97.camel@bilbo.plasmic.com> Content-Type: text/plain Message-Id: <1065942406.27069.4.camel@bilbo.plasmic.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Ximian Evolution 1.4.5 Date: Sun, 12 Oct 2003 02:06:46 -0500 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none autolearn=no version=2.60 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.60 (1.212-2003-09-23-exp) on plasmir Cc: ros-kernel@reactos.com Subject: [ros-kernel] Re: [Ros-general] A couple points and a question X-BeenThere: ros-kernel@reactos.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.2 Precedence: list Reply-To: ReactOS General List List-Id: ReactOS General List List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 12 Oct 2003 07:08:48 -0000 On Sat, 2003-10-11 at 19:17, Michael B. Trausch wrote: > > So I'll propose a name for this kit (and a very creative one at that): > > ReactOS Development Kit (RDK), supporting both user-mode and kernel-mode > > development. > so... yeah... uhm, about documentation, guys, is there anything in > particular that the project needs research done on, right now? If you're talking about research & documentation of windows to make the cloning easier, there are lots of areas that need documentation; i'm sure lots of people can suggest some if that's what you have in mind. If you're talking about documentation of ReactOS itself or the development process, etc., there are lots of things that need to be done there as well. For starters, you could pull together the ReactOS Development Kit. :) -Vizzini From vizzini@plasmic.com Sun Oct 12 10:23:51 2003 Received: from dutlru2.lr.tudelft.nl (dutlru2.lr.tudelft.nl [130.161.164.58]) by dutlaso.lr.tudelft.nl (8.12.8/8.12.8) with ESMTP id h9C8Npkf029299 for ; Sun, 12 Oct 2003 10:23:51 +0200 Received: from plasmir.plasmic.com (ident@plasmic.com [209.242.113.80]) by dutlru2.lr.tudelft.nl (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id h9C8NoXK039772 for ; Sun, 12 Oct 2003 10:23:50 +0200 Received: from CPE-65-30-38-76.kc.rr.com (CPE-65-30-38-76.kc.rr.com [65.30.38.76]) by plasmir.plasmic.com (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-6.6) with ESMTP id h9C8NnE4013666 for ; Sun, 12 Oct 2003 03:23:49 -0500 From: Vizzini To: ros-kernel@reactos.com Content-Type: text/plain Message-Id: <1065946911.27070.64.camel@bilbo.plasmic.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Ximian Evolution 1.4.5 Date: Sun, 12 Oct 2003 03:21:51 -0500 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none autolearn=no version=2.60 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.60 (1.212-2003-09-23-exp) on plasmir Subject: [ros-kernel] NDIS Update X-BeenThere: ros-kernel@reactos.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.2 Precedence: list Reply-To: ReactOS General List List-Id: ReactOS General List List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 12 Oct 2003 08:23:51 -0000 After getting slammed in the last 3 weeks with the recent release, bugzilla, etc., I've finally had time to do some actual NDIS work. The VMWare NIC driver officially works now: vizzini@bilbo:~/ros/reactos/drivers/net/ndis$ ping 10.0.0.100 PING 10.0.0.100 (10.0.0.100): 56 data bytes 64 bytes from 10.0.0.100: icmp_seq=0 ttl=128 time=158.9 ms 64 bytes from 10.0.0.100: icmp_seq=1 ttl=128 time=68.3 ms 64 bytes from 10.0.0.100: icmp_seq=2 ttl=128 time=65.2 ms 64 bytes from 10.0.0.100: icmp_seq=3 ttl=128 time=69.0 ms --- 10.0.0.100 ping statistics --- 4 packets transmitted, 4 packets received, 0% packet loss round-trip min/avg/max = 65.2/90.3/158.9 ms vizzini@bilbo:~/ros/reactos/drivers/net/ndis$ I still have a bug or two to work out from our own pcnet driver, but the AMD-supplied driver is good. I have updated the ReactOS Networking page with the latest status as well - http://plasmic.com/~vizzini/rosnet.html - and this big ndis patch is there. I'm tired of waiting on root's CVS lock so I'll commit this tomorrow. There are still a few problems that need to be worked out, so please don't deploy this as a production PING server. :-) -Vizzini From ge@gse.nl Sun Oct 12 10:42:38 2003 Received: from dutlru2.lr.tudelft.nl (dutlru2.lr.tudelft.nl [130.161.164.58]) by dutlaso.lr.tudelft.nl (8.12.8/8.12.8) with ESMTP id h9C8gckf029736 for ; Sun, 12 Oct 2003 10:42:38 +0200 Received: from smtpzilla5.xs4all.nl (smtpzilla5.xs4all.nl [194.109.127.141]) by dutlru2.lr.tudelft.nl (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id h9C8gcXK034562 for ; Sun, 12 Oct 2003 10:42:38 +0200 Received: from gsep1 (geldorp.xs4all.nl [194.109.161.161]) by smtpzilla5.xs4all.nl (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h9C8g7Id059109 for ; Sun, 12 Oct 2003 10:42:07 +0200 (CEST) From: "Ge van Geldorp" To: Date: Sun, 12 Oct 2003 10:42:07 +0200 Message-ID: <009d01c3909c$b85b6080$0a01a8c0@gse.local> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.2616 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 Importance: Normal Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by dutlaso.lr.tudelft.nl id h9C8gckf029736 Subject: [ros-kernel] Release process X-BeenThere: ros-kernel@reactos.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.2 Precedence: list Reply-To: ReactOS General List List-Id: ReactOS General List List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 12 Oct 2003 08:42:38 -0000 In general, I like the new release process with its branching, feature freeze and code freeze. Some small points: - It's not clear to me who's responsible for getting changes made in the branch back into HEAD. In Vizinni's message "CVS Branching Proposal" of 2 Sept the proposal is: "Any commits on a branch must be merged into HEAD by the committer". Then, Casper said on 5 Oct in a "Re: CVS Update: reactos" message: "Don't fix it on both branches since CVS cannot track what has been merged and what has not been merged". Either way works for me, we just need to make a decision on it. - Maybe we should put out a RC1 (Release Candidate) .iso at the beginning of the feature freeze and a RC2 at the beginning of the code freeze. Testers are not always developers and may have problems building. Maybe by providing the .iso's more people would be willing to test. More testers are needed in the future as we are moving slowly to supporting third-party drivers. - I would like to see a small change in the version numbering. At the moment we have e.g. 0.1.4.3, with the ".3" meaning it was build on the 3rd day after the 0.1.4 release. I think this is a bit meaningless and would like to propose 0.1.5-CVS for any past-0.1.4 build from HEAD, 0.1.5-RC1/0.1.5-RC2 for the next Release Candidates and plain 0.1.5 for the next final release. Some changes will have to be made to our build system for this, I volunteer to do that if this proposal is accepted. Gé van Geldorp. From michael@fritscher.net Sun Oct 12 10:48:05 2003 Received: from dutlru2.lr.tudelft.nl (dutlru2.lr.tudelft.nl [130.161.164.58]) by dutlaso.lr.tudelft.nl (8.12.8/8.12.8) with ESMTP id h9C8m5kf029864 for ; Sun, 12 Oct 2003 10:48:05 +0200 Received: from moutng.kundenserver.de (moutng.kundenserver.de [212.227.126.188]) by dutlru2.lr.tudelft.nl (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id h9C8m4XK034726 for ; Sun, 12 Oct 2003 10:48:05 +0200 Received: from [212.227.126.200] (helo=mrvnet.kundenserver.de) by moutng.kundenserver.de with esmtp (Exim 3.35 #1) id 1A8btR-0000vz-00 for ros-kernel@reactos.com; Sun, 12 Oct 2003 10:48:01 +0200 Received: from [172.23.4.137] (helo=config10.kundenserver.de) by mrvnet.kundenserver.de with esmtp (Exim 3.35 #1) id 1A8btR-0003ri-00 for ros-kernel@reactos.com; Sun, 12 Oct 2003 10:48:01 +0200 Received: from www-data by config10.kundenserver.de with local (Exim 3.35 #1 (Debian)) id 1A8btR-0002n1-00 for ; Sun, 12 Oct 2003 10:48:01 +0200 To: =?iso-8859-1?Q?ReactOS_General_List?= Subject: Re: [ros-kernel] ReactOS feedback From: Message-Id: <5814255$10659483203f8914a0a94824.88485951@config10.schlund.de> X-Binford: 6100 (more power) X-Originating-From: 5814255 X-Mailer: Webmail X-Routing: DE X-Received: from config10 by 80.133.241.12 with HTTP id 5814255 for ros-kernel@reactos.com; Sun, 12 Oct 2003 10:46:01 +0200 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 Date: Sun, 12 Oct 2003 10:46:01 +0200 X-BeenThere: ros-kernel@reactos.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.2 Precedence: list Reply-To: ReactOS General List List-Id: ReactOS General List List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 12 Oct 2003 08:48:05 -0000 Try to use more RAM, e.g. 32-128 MB Bernd Blaauw schrieb am 12.10.2003, 00:55:23: > people, > > what's going on exactly? yesterday ReactOS.com site (new one, > www.reactos.com URL however) mentioned 0.1.4 release, gave no download links > and everything spoke about 0.1.3 > > today, www.reactos.com site cannot be found. > > did a search at sourceforge.net for ReactOS and thus found the released > 0.1.4 version. > After downloading ReactOS 0.1.4 ISO I tried it in Vmware with below/attached > result > > Vmware Workstation 4.0.2 running on WindowsXP ServicePack1 > MSDOS guest machine profile (4GB IDE disk, 16MB ram) > ReactOS 0.1.4 ISO 'mounted' as cdrom device. > > it was booting from cdrom (harddisk still unpartitioned), started loading > driver up to and including blue.sys, and then the error screen appeared. > > Is there a site for downloading compiled Nightly builds (preferably ISO > :) )? > > Bernd Blaauw From jasonfilby@yahoo.com Sun Oct 12 11:06:00 2003 Received: from dutlru2.lr.tudelft.nl (dutlru2.lr.tudelft.nl [130.161.164.58]) by dutlaso.lr.tudelft.nl (8.12.8/8.12.8) with ESMTP id h9C960kf030245 for ; Sun, 12 Oct 2003 11:06:00 +0200 Received: from web41509.mail.yahoo.com (web41509.mail.yahoo.com [66.218.93.92]) by dutlru2.lr.tudelft.nl (8.12.10/8.12.10) with SMTP id h9C95xXK093872 for ; Sun, 12 Oct 2003 11:05:59 +0200 Message-ID: <20031012090549.43301.qmail@web41509.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [155.239.193.103] by web41509.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Sun, 12 Oct 2003 02:05:49 PDT Date: Sun, 12 Oct 2003 02:05:49 -0700 (PDT) From: Jason Filby Subject: Re: [ros-kernel] ReactOS feedback To: ReactOS General List MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-BeenThere: ros-kernel@reactos.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.2 Precedence: list Reply-To: ReactOS General List List-Id: ReactOS General List List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 12 Oct 2003 09:06:00 -0000 The 0.1.4 note on the site without 0.1.4 links was due to a botched upgrade that only showed how botched it was when I tried to release 0.1.4. Thie site not being available was due to the first stress test of the new box. We've bettered the configuration but the box will be getting a RAM upgrade to help cope with this next release. Regards Jason Bernd Blaauw wrote: >people, > >what's going on exactly? yesterday ReactOS.com site (new one, >www.reactos.com URL however) mentioned 0.1.4 release, gave no download links >and everything spoke about 0.1.3 > >today, www.reactos.com site cannot be found. > >did a search at sourceforge.net for ReactOS and thus found the released >0.1.4 version. >After downloading ReactOS 0.1.4 ISO I tried it in Vmware with below/attached >result > >Vmware Workstation 4.0.2 running on WindowsXP ServicePack1 >MSDOS guest machine profile (4GB IDE disk, 16MB ram) >ReactOS 0.1.4 ISO 'mounted' as cdrom device. > >it was booting from cdrom (harddisk still unpartitioned), started loading >driver up to and including blue.sys, and then the error screen appeared. > >Is there a site for downloading compiled Nightly builds (preferably ISO >:) )? > >Bernd Blaauw > > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > >------------------------------------------------------------------------ > >_______________________________________________ >Ros-kernel mailing list >Ros-kernel@reactos.com >http://reactos.geldorp.nl:8080/mailman/listinfo/ros-kernel > __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? 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Shopping - with improved product search http://shopping.yahoo.com From ge@gse.nl Sun Oct 12 11:31:24 2003 Received: from dutlru2.lr.tudelft.nl (dutlru2.lr.tudelft.nl [130.161.164.58]) by dutlaso.lr.tudelft.nl (8.12.8/8.12.8) with ESMTP id h9C9VOkf030739 for ; Sun, 12 Oct 2003 11:31:24 +0200 Received: from smtpzilla2.xs4all.nl (smtpzilla2.xs4all.nl [194.109.127.138]) by dutlru2.lr.tudelft.nl (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id h9C9VOXK016030 for ; Sun, 12 Oct 2003 11:31:24 +0200 Received: from gsep1 (geldorp.xs4all.nl [194.109.161.161]) by smtpzilla2.xs4all.nl (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h9C9UsW6006422 for ; Sun, 12 Oct 2003 11:30:54 +0200 (CEST) From: "Ge van Geldorp" To: "'ReactOS General List'" Subject: RE: [ros-kernel] ReactOS feedback Date: Sun, 12 Oct 2003 11:30:54 +0200 Message-ID: <009e01c390a3$88aacdb0$0a01a8c0@gse.local> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.2616 In-Reply-To: <20031012090549.43301.qmail@web41509.mail.yahoo.com> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 Importance: Normal Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by dutlaso.lr.tudelft.nl id h9C9VOkf030739 X-BeenThere: ros-kernel@reactos.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.2 Precedence: list Reply-To: ReactOS General List List-Id: ReactOS General List List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 12 Oct 2003 09:31:24 -0000 > From: Jason Filby > > Thie site not being available was due to the first stress test of > the new box. We've bettered the configuration but the box will be > getting a RAM upgrade to help cope with this next release. To give you an idea of the amount of stress put on the box: the load average peaked at 154.... Nice to see so many people interested in ReactOS :-) Gé van Geldorp. From bblaauw@home.nl Sun Oct 12 14:42:35 2003 Received: from dutlru2.lr.tudelft.nl (dutlru2.lr.tudelft.nl [130.161.164.58]) by dutlaso.lr.tudelft.nl (8.12.8/8.12.8) with ESMTP id h9CCgZkf003210 for ; Sun, 12 Oct 2003 14:42:35 +0200 Received: from smtpq1.home.nl (smtpq1.home.nl [213.51.128.196]) by dutlru2.lr.tudelft.nl (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id h9CCgYXK094720 for ; Sun, 12 Oct 2003 14:42:34 +0200 Received: from [213.51.128.133] (port=44419 helo=smtp2.home.nl) by smtpq1.home.nl with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 1A8fWy-0000IT-Ih for ros-kernel@reactos.com; Sun, 12 Oct 2003 14:41:04 +0200 Received: from [213.51.37.153] (port=34996 helo=willem) by smtp2.home.nl with smtp (Exim 4.20) id 1A8fWw-0000jL-3A for ros-kernel@reactos.com; Sun, 12 Oct 2003 14:41:02 +0200 Message-ID: <001001c390be$1b9a5130$0a01a8c0@willem> From: "Bernd Blaauw" To: "ReactOS General List" References: <5814255$10659483203f8914a0a94824.88485951@config10.schlund.de> Subject: Re: [ros-kernel] ReactOS feedback Date: Sun, 12 Oct 2003 14:41:07 +0200 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1158 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 X-AtHome-MailScanner-Information: Neem contact op met support@home.nl voor meer informatie X-AtHome-MailScanner: Found to be clean X-BeenThere: ros-kernel@reactos.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.2 Precedence: list Reply-To: ReactOS General List List-Id: ReactOS General List List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 12 Oct 2003 12:42:35 -0000 Vmware allows multiples of 4MB as guest RAM. 16MB=crash (ntoskrnl.exe), 20MB=hang (cdfs.sys), 24MB=setup starts. please document this RAM requirement in a readme / install document. (and ReactOS RAM for a installed system). http://www.reactos.com/content/view/full/261/ (which processors are supported btw, 'Pentium or newer'?). Vmware Win2000 guest OS settings don't work, I think, unless someone has developed full SCSI support (since 2000 settings imply SCSI harddisk by default). thanks for the hint at applying more RAM for the OS. ----- Original Message ----- From: To: "ReactOS General List" Sent: Sunday, October 12, 2003 10:46 AM Subject: Re: [ros-kernel] ReactOS feedback From jasonfilby@yahoo.com Sun Oct 12 15:43:04 2003 Received: from dutlru2.lr.tudelft.nl (dutlru2.lr.tudelft.nl [130.161.164.58]) by dutlaso.lr.tudelft.nl (8.12.8/8.12.8) with ESMTP id h9CDh4kf004505 for ; Sun, 12 Oct 2003 15:43:04 +0200 Received: from web41501.mail.yahoo.com (web41501.mail.yahoo.com [66.218.93.84]) by dutlru2.lr.tudelft.nl (8.12.10/8.12.10) with SMTP id h9CDh3XK039794 for ; Sun, 12 Oct 2003 15:43:04 +0200 Message-ID: <20031012134253.49125.qmail@web41501.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [155.239.193.103] by web41501.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Sun, 12 Oct 2003 06:42:53 PDT Date: Sun, 12 Oct 2003 06:42:53 -0700 (PDT) From: Jason Filby To: ros-kernel@reactos.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Subject: [ros-kernel] Build version in CVS X-BeenThere: ros-kernel@reactos.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.2 Precedence: list Reply-To: ReactOS General List List-Id: ReactOS General List List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 12 Oct 2003 13:43:05 -0000 Hi all In version.h of the current CVS tree: define KERNEL_VERSION_MAJOR 0 #define KERNEL_VERSION_MINOR 1 #define KERNEL_VERSION_PATCH_LEVEL 3 /* Edit each time a new release is out: format is YYYYMMDD (UTC) */ #define KERNEL_RELEASE_DATE 20030830L Shouldn't we up this to 0.1.4 with 0.1.4's release date? 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Shopping - with improved product search http://shopping.yahoo.com From ekohl@rz-online.de Sun Oct 12 15:58:10 2003 Received: from dutlru2.lr.tudelft.nl (dutlru2.lr.tudelft.nl [130.161.164.58]) by dutlaso.lr.tudelft.nl (8.12.8/8.12.8) with ESMTP id h9CDwAkf004878 for ; Sun, 12 Oct 2003 15:58:10 +0200 Received: from smtp.rhein-zeitung.DE (smtp.rhein-zeitung.DE [212.7.160.14]) by dutlru2.lr.tudelft.nl (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id h9CDwAXK090646 for ; Sun, 12 Oct 2003 15:58:10 +0200 Received: from marvin (pppin-2d-a3.pop-koblenz.rz-online.NET [212.7.163.45]) by smtp.rhein-zeitung.DE (8.12.8/8.12.8) with SMTP id h9CDw4bc024573 for ; Sun, 12 Oct 2003 15:58:05 +0200 Message-ID: <000d01c390c9$71d33840$0500a8c0@marvin> From: "Eric Kohl" To: "ReactOS General List" References: <20031012134253.49125.qmail@web41501.mail.yahoo.com> Subject: Re: [ros-kernel] Build version in CVS Date: Sun, 12 Oct 2003 16:02:10 +0200 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4807.1700 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4807.1700 X-BeenThere: ros-kernel@reactos.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.2 Precedence: list Reply-To: ReactOS General List List-Id: ReactOS General List List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 12 Oct 2003 13:58:11 -0000 "Jason Filby" wrote: > In version.h of the current CVS tree: > > define KERNEL_VERSION_MAJOR 0 > #define KERNEL_VERSION_MINOR 1 > #define KERNEL_VERSION_PATCH_LEVEL 3 > /* Edit each time a new release is out: format is YYYYMMDD (UTC) */ > #define KERNEL_RELEASE_DATE 20030830L > > Shouldn't we up this to 0.1.4 with 0.1.4's release date? I changed it in the 0.1.4 branch. It will be updated when the branch is merged. Eric From michael@fritscher.net Sun Oct 12 16:53:19 2003 Received: from dutlru2.lr.tudelft.nl (dutlru2.lr.tudelft.nl [130.161.164.58]) by dutlaso.lr.tudelft.nl (8.12.8/8.12.8) with ESMTP id h9CErHkf006275 for ; Sun, 12 Oct 2003 16:53:17 +0200 Received: from moutng.kundenserver.de (moutng.kundenserver.de [212.227.126.184]) by dutlru2.lr.tudelft.nl (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id h9CErGXK022608 for ; Sun, 12 Oct 2003 16:53:16 +0200 Received: from [212.227.126.155] (helo=mrelayng.kundenserver.de) by moutng.kundenserver.de with esmtp (Exim 3.35 #1) id 1A8hau-0003bq-00 for ros-kernel@reactos.com; Sun, 12 Oct 2003 16:53:16 +0200 Received: from [80.133.241.12] (helo=michael) by mrelayng.kundenserver.de with asmtp (Exim 3.35 #1) id 1A8hau-0003ip-00 for ros-kernel@reactos.com; Sun, 12 Oct 2003 16:53:16 +0200 From: "Michael Fritscher" To: "'ReactOS General List'" Subject: AW: [ros-kernel] ReactOS feedback Date: Sun, 12 Oct 2003 16:53:59 +0200 Message-ID: <000001c390d0$ab67f4e0$6700a8c0@fritscher> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.2616 Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: <001001c390be$1b9a5130$0a01a8c0@willem> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4927.1200 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by dutlaso.lr.tudelft.nl id h9CErHkf006275 X-BeenThere: ros-kernel@reactos.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.2 Precedence: list Reply-To: ReactOS General List List-Id: ReactOS General List List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 12 Oct 2003 14:53:19 -0000 No problem, use better 32 MB, or more, I think that setup needs it. Another hint: Change the COM1 to write the data to a file, e.g. C:\temp\comm1.txt and boot reactos with the option "/debugport=COM1", change it in the freeldr.ini or boot.bat. Then you need't make (huge) screenshots anymore, but I can send parts of this file. Thanks for the report, I think I must change my German site (www.reactos.de.vu), too ;-) -----Ursprüngliche Nachricht----- Von: ros-kernel-bounces@reactos.com [mailto:ros-kernel-bounces@reactos.com] Im Auftrag von Bernd Blaauw Gesendet: Sonntag, 12. Oktober 2003 14:41 An: ReactOS General List Betreff: Re: [ros-kernel] ReactOS feedback Vmware allows multiples of 4MB as guest RAM. 16MB=crash (ntoskrnl.exe), 20MB=hang (cdfs.sys), 24MB=setup starts. please document this RAM requirement in a readme / install document. (and ReactOS RAM for a installed system). http://www.reactos.com/content/view/full/261/ (which processors are supported btw, 'Pentium or newer'?). Vmware Win2000 guest OS settings don't work, I think, unless someone has developed full SCSI support (since 2000 settings imply SCSI harddisk by default). thanks for the hint at applying more RAM for the OS. ----- Original Message ----- From: To: "ReactOS General List" Sent: Sunday, October 12, 2003 10:46 AM Subject: Re: [ros-kernel] ReactOS feedback _______________________________________________ Ros-kernel mailing list Ros-kernel@reactos.com http://reactos.geldorp.nl:8080/mailman/listinfo/ros-kernel From vizzini@plasmic.com Sun Oct 12 18:09:48 2003 Received: from dutlru2.lr.tudelft.nl (dutlru2.lr.tudelft.nl [130.161.164.58]) by dutlaso.lr.tudelft.nl (8.12.8/8.12.8) with ESMTP id h9CG9mkf008059 for ; Sun, 12 Oct 2003 18:09:48 +0200 Received: from plasmir.plasmic.com (ident@plasmic.com [209.242.113.80]) by dutlru2.lr.tudelft.nl (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id h9CG9lXK039738 for ; Sun, 12 Oct 2003 18:09:48 +0200 Received: from CPE-65-30-38-76.kc.rr.com (CPE-65-30-38-76.kc.rr.com [65.30.38.76]) by plasmir.plasmic.com (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-6.6) with ESMTP id h9CG9gE4018590 for ; Sun, 12 Oct 2003 11:09:42 -0500 Subject: Re: [ros-kernel] Release process From: Vizzini To: ReactOS General List In-Reply-To: <009d01c3909c$b85b6080$0a01a8c0@gse.local> References: <009d01c3909c$b85b6080$0a01a8c0@gse.local> Content-Type: text/plain Message-Id: <1065974863.2523.9.camel@bilbo.plasmic.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Ximian Evolution 1.4.5 Date: Sun, 12 Oct 2003 11:07:43 -0500 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none autolearn=no version=2.60 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.60 (1.212-2003-09-23-exp) on plasmir X-BeenThere: ros-kernel@reactos.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.2 Precedence: list Reply-To: ReactOS General List List-Id: ReactOS General List List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 12 Oct 2003 16:09:48 -0000 On Sun, 2003-10-12 at 03:42, Ge van Geldorp wrote: > - It's not clear to me who's responsible for getting changes made in the > branch back into HEAD. In Vizinni's message "CVS Branching Proposal" of > 2 Sept the proposal is: "Any commits on a branch must be merged into > HEAD by the committer". Then, Casper said on 5 Oct in a "Re: CVS Update: > reactos" message: "Don't fix it on both branches since CVS cannot track > what has been merged and what has not been merged". Either way works for > me, we just need to make a decision on it. For this time, I can see if there is any merging to be done. In general, though, I would recommend that each developer who commits to the release branch also merge that change from release to HEAD. Reasons: - This prevents somebody from having to understand each patch, including whether or not it should be merged at all - These commits should be small and rare, in general, so this shouldn't be terribly inconvenient At the end of the process (i.e. now) someody (me? jason? someone else?) should go through CVS and merge anything that was missed. Perhaps if people could put something in the commit messages on the branch if the chanage should *not* be carried over to HEAD, that would make the job easier. > > - Maybe we should put out a RC1 (Release Candidate) .iso at the > beginning of the feature freeze and a RC2 at the beginning of the code > freeze. Testers are not always developers and may have problems > building. Maybe by providing the .iso's more people would be willing to > test. More testers are needed in the future as we are moving slowly to > supporting third-party drivers. Great idea. I still think that getting involved in development and testing are too difficult at the moment, so I'm in favor of anything that eases the pain. Also, I think it's a great idea for the release engineer to get some practice with a given branch, just in case there are oddities. > - I would like to see a small change in the version numbering. At the > moment we have e.g. 0.1.4.3, with the ".3" meaning it was build on the > 3rd day after the 0.1.4 release. I think this is a bit meaningless and > would like to propose 0.1.5-CVS for any past-0.1.4 build from HEAD, > 0.1.5-RC1/0.1.5-RC2 for the next Release Candidates and plain 0.1.5 for > the next final release. Some changes will have to be made to our build > system for this, I volunteer to do that if this proposal is accepted. I have no problem with this proposal, and I agree that the day-as-version system is pretty meaningless. If we do nightly code snapshots and/or builds, we may want to use date versions, though, but in that case we'd use an absolute date rather than a relative one (i think?). -Vizzini From steven_ed4153@yahoo.com Sun Oct 12 21:03:28 2003 Received: from dutlru2.lr.tudelft.nl (dutlru2.lr.tudelft.nl [130.161.164.58]) by dutlaso.lr.tudelft.nl (8.12.8/8.12.8) with ESMTP id h9CJ3Skf011954 for ; Sun, 12 Oct 2003 21:03:28 +0200 Received: from web21101.mail.yahoo.com (web21101.mail.yahoo.com [216.136.227.103]) by dutlru2.lr.tudelft.nl (8.12.10/8.12.10) with SMTP id h9CJ3QXK034620 for ; Sun, 12 Oct 2003 21:03:27 +0200 Message-ID: <20031012190324.2066.qmail@web21101.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [66.83.186.125] by web21101.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Sun, 12 Oct 2003 12:03:24 PDT Date: Sun, 12 Oct 2003 12:03:24 -0700 (PDT) From: Steven Edwards To: dpaun@rogers.com, wine-devel@winehq.com, Vizzini In-Reply-To: <200310120144.58632.dpaun@rogers.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Cc: ros-kernel@reactos.com Subject: [ros-kernel] Re: WINE porting templates X-BeenThere: ros-kernel@reactos.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.2 Precedence: list Reply-To: ReactOS General List List-Id: ReactOS General List List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 12 Oct 2003 19:03:29 -0000 --- "Dimitrie O. Paun" wrote: > On October 11, 2003 06:40 pm, Steven Edwards wrote: > > I really dont want to have a ReactOS column in the list as the > ReactOS > > project is planning on properly branching winehq cvs when WINE > reaches > > reaches 0.9/1.0. > > Why would you want to branch, I would have thought that you want to > keep a common codebase. There is no reason most of Wine's DLL not to > work out of the box for the ReactOS project. I wouldn't worry about > the political aspect for now, I still think it would be a good idea > to know how many DLLs you guys are using. In fact, nobody will blame > us as you say, we will mark you (or the ReactOS team) as being > responsible for the port, so you will have to field support/requrest > questions. Well yes in the "should" work out of the box under ReactOS but most dont work perfectly atm due to bugs in our Win32k/GDI/User32 implementaion. I agree it would be nice to keep better track of this on the WINE porting page and I do want to have a common codebase with as little or no forking if possible but like I said I dont want to flood Winehq with ReactOS bugs reports when its not the fault of one of the WINE dlls. Currently ReactOS is on its 1.x branch and we still have problems using the WINE dlls as shown below: http://www.winehq.com/hypermail/wine-devel/2003/10/att-0145/02-taskmgr.png http://www.reactos.com/content/view/full/305/ I dont make policy in ReactOS as to layout of CVS and code sharing so this has to be discusses with our kernel maintainer. I would suggest that for the time being the ReactOS should fork the dlls/programs we need using CVS branching untill all of our rendering problems are fixed. During this time I can make weekly snapshots of Winehq mingw builds avaliable for people that really want them. After ReactOS 2.0 Maybe we can drop our own forking of this code and work right out of Winehq. 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Shopping - with improved product search http://shopping.yahoo.com From hybridus@seznam.cz Sun Oct 12 22:47:39 2003 Received: from dutlru2.lr.tudelft.nl (dutlru2.lr.tudelft.nl [130.161.164.58]) by dutlaso.lr.tudelft.nl (8.12.8/8.12.8) with ESMTP id h9CKlZkf014096 for ; Sun, 12 Oct 2003 22:47:35 +0200 Received: from ms2.dkm.cz (ms2.dkm.cz [62.24.64.14]) by dutlru2.lr.tudelft.nl (8.12.10/8.12.10) with SMTP id h9CKlYXK090710 for ; Sun, 12 Oct 2003 22:47:34 +0200 Received: (qmail 46767 invoked by uid 0); 12 Oct 2003 20:47:25 -0000 Received: from aa55.mistral.cz (HELO seznam.cz) (62.24.92.55) by ms2.dkm.cz with SMTP; 12 Oct 2003 20:47:25 -0000 Message-ID: <3F89BE23.1030408@seznam.cz> Date: Sun, 12 Oct 2003 22:48:35 +0200 From: Patvor User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; Linux i686; cs-CZ; rv:1.4) Gecko/20030624 X-Accept-Language: cs, en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: ros-kernel@reactos.com X-Enigmail-Version: 0.76.3.0 X-Enigmail-Supports: pgp-inline, pgp-mime Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: [ros-kernel] DbgRDebugInit X-BeenThere: ros-kernel@reactos.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.2 Precedence: list Reply-To: ReactOS General List List-Id: ReactOS General List List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 12 Oct 2003 20:47:40 -0000 ACPI=1, DBG=1, KDBG=1 mingw32-gcc -I./include -pipe -march=i386 -D_M_IX86 -I./include -I./include -D__NTOSKRNL__ -g -Wall -Werror -D_DISABLE_TIDENTS -I../include -pipe -march=i386 -D_M_IX86 -c dbg/rdebug.c -o dbg/rdebug.o dbg/rdebug.c:71: syntax error before "DbgRDebugInit" cc1: warnings being treated as errors dbg/rdebug.c:72: warning: return type defaults to `int' dbg/rdebug.c: In function `DbgRDebugInit': dbg/rdebug.c:74: warning: `return' with no value, in function returning non-void make[1]: *** [dbg/rdebug.o] Error 1 make[1]: Leaving directory `/home/dave/ros/reactos/ntoskrnl' make: *** [ntoskrnl] Error 2 Regards, David From hartmut.birr@gmx.de Sun Oct 12 23:17:31 2003 Received: from dutlru2.lr.tudelft.nl (dutlru2.lr.tudelft.nl [130.161.164.58]) by dutlaso.lr.tudelft.nl (8.12.8/8.12.8) with ESMTP id h9CLHUkf014689 for ; Sun, 12 Oct 2003 23:17:31 +0200 Received: from mail.gmx.net (pop.gmx.de [213.165.64.20]) by dutlru2.lr.tudelft.nl (8.12.10/8.12.10) with SMTP id h9CLHUXK090842 for ; Sun, 12 Oct 2003 23:17:30 +0200 Received: (qmail 24606 invoked by uid 65534); 12 Oct 2003 21:16:24 -0000 Received: from p50830429.dip0.t-ipconnect.de (EHLO newdarkstar) (80.131.4.41) by mail.gmx.net (mp009) with SMTP; 12 Oct 2003 23:16:24 +0200 X-Authenticated: #19145161 From: "Hartmut Birr" To: "'ReactOS General List'" Subject: RE: [ros-kernel] DbgRDebugInit Date: Sun, 12 Oct 2003 23:16:24 +0200 Message-ID: <000601c39106$18c179f0$0202a8c0@newdarkstar> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.2616 In-Reply-To: <3F89BE23.1030408@seznam.cz> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Importance: Normal X-BeenThere: ros-kernel@reactos.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.2 Precedence: list Reply-To: ReactOS General List List-Id: ReactOS General List List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 12 Oct 2003 21:17:31 -0000 > -----Original Message----- > From: ros-kernel-bounces@reactos.com > [mailto:ros-kernel-bounces@reactos.com] On Behalf Of Patvor > Sent: Sunday, October 12, 2003 10:49 PM > To: ros-kernel@reactos.com > Subject: [ros-kernel] DbgRDebugInit > > > ACPI=1, DBG=1, KDBG=1 > > > mingw32-gcc -I./include -pipe -march=i386 -D_M_IX86 -I./include > -I./include -D__NTOSKRNL__ -g -Wall -Werror -D_DISABLE_TIDENTS > -I../include -pipe -march=i386 -D_M_IX86 -c dbg/rdebug.c -o > dbg/rdebug.o > dbg/rdebug.c:71: syntax error before "DbgRDebugInit" > cc1: warnings being treated as errors > dbg/rdebug.c:72: warning: return type defaults to `int' > dbg/rdebug.c: In function `DbgRDebugInit': > dbg/rdebug.c:74: warning: `return' with no value, in function > returning > non-void > make[1]: *** [dbg/rdebug.o] Error 1 > make[1]: Leaving directory `/home/dave/ros/reactos/ntoskrnl' > make: *** [ntoskrnl] Error 2 > Is now fixed. Please try it again. - Hartmut From fd0man@chadeux.homelinux.net Mon Oct 13 03:48:10 2003 Received: from dutlru2.lr.tudelft.nl (dutlru2.lr.tudelft.nl [130.161.164.58]) by dutlaso.lr.tudelft.nl (8.12.8/8.12.8) with ESMTP id h9D1mAkf018527 for ; Mon, 13 Oct 2003 03:48:10 +0200 Received: from chadeux.homelinux.net (cblmdm204-118-177-204.buckeye-express.com [204.118.177.204]) by dutlru2.lr.tudelft.nl (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id h9D1m8XK069058 for ; Mon, 13 Oct 2003 03:48:09 +0200 Received: from chadeux.homelinux.net (IDENT:1000@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by chadeux.homelinux.net (8.12.8/8.12.8) with ESMTP id h9D1i3ng010576 for ; Sun, 12 Oct 2003 21:44:03 -0400 Received: from localhost (fd0man@localhost) by chadeux.homelinux.net (8.12.8/8.12.8/Submit) with ESMTP id h9D1i2vQ010573 for ; Sun, 12 Oct 2003 21:44:02 -0400 Date: Sun, 12 Oct 2003 21:43:58 -0400 (EDT) From: "Michael B. Trausch" To: ReactOS General List Subject: Re: [ros-kernel] Release process In-Reply-To: <009d01c3909c$b85b6080$0a01a8c0@gse.local> Message-ID: References: <009d01c3909c$b85b6080$0a01a8c0@gse.local> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from QUOTED-PRINTABLE to 8bit by dutlaso.lr.tudelft.nl id h9D1mAkf018527 X-BeenThere: ros-kernel@reactos.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.2 Precedence: list Reply-To: ReactOS General List List-Id: ReactOS General List List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 13 Oct 2003 01:48:10 -0000 -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 On Sun, 12 Oct 2003, Ge van Geldorp wrote: > > - Maybe we should put out a RC1 (Release Candidate) .iso at the > beginning of the feature freeze and a RC2 at the beginning of the code > freeze. Testers are not always developers and may have problems > building. Maybe by providing the .iso's more people would be willing to > test. More testers are needed in the future as we are moving slowly to > supporting third-party drivers. > Agreed. Not being fussy, but building ReactOS on my system takes HOURS on end, and I don't wanna build it for every little change, if I can avoid it... Although, I need to ask, do we *want* ROS to run on 486+ CPU's? Or Pentium+ CPU's? ROS currently doesn't run on my 486 computer, which it the only available one I have to test on... > > - I would like to see a small change in the version numbering. At the > moment we have e.g. 0.1.4.3, with the ".3" meaning it was build on the > 3rd day after the 0.1.4 release. I think this is a bit meaningless and > would like to propose 0.1.5-CVS for any past-0.1.4 build from HEAD, > 0.1.5-RC1/0.1.5-RC2 for the next Release Candidates and plain 0.1.5 for > the next final release. Some changes will have to be made to our build > system for this, I volunteer to do that if this proposal is accepted. > Agreed there, as well. Just my opinion. Later, Mike > Gé van Geldorp. > > > _______________________________________________ > Ros-kernel mailing list > Ros-kernel@reactos.com > http://reactos.geldorp.nl:8080/mailman/listinfo/ros-kernel > Michael B. Trausch AIM: MBTrausch 720 Orchard St. E-mail: fd0man@chadeux.homelinux.net Toledo, OH 43609 Second E-Mail: fd0man@yahoo.com (419) 514-5047 Web: http://chadeux.homelinux.net - ----------------------------------------------------------------- People will forget what you said and what you did, but they will never forget how you made them feel. - ----------------------------------------------------------------- NOTICE: fd0man@yahoo.com's key is REVOKED. 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Trausch wrote: > Although, I need to ask, do we *want* ROS to run on 486+ CPU's? I see no reason why anything more recent would be required. After all, unless my memory fails me, the immediate target (NT4) works just fine on 486. > ROS currently doesn't run on my 486 computer, which it > the only available one I have to test on... Do you know what Pentium specifics are used that stops this? /Mike From gerard.gatineau@laposte.net Mon Oct 13 07:46:23 2003 Received: from dutlru2.lr.tudelft.nl (dutlru2.lr.tudelft.nl [130.161.164.58]) by dutlaso.lr.tudelft.nl (8.12.8/8.12.8) with ESMTP id h9D5kNkf021431 for ; Mon, 13 Oct 2003 07:46:23 +0200 Received: from mx.laposte.net (mx.laposte.net [81.255.54.11]) by dutlru2.lr.tudelft.nl (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id h9D5kMXK015998 for ; Mon, 13 Oct 2003 07:46:23 +0200 Received: from laposte.net (172.182.121.56) by mx.laposte.net (6.0.053) (authenticated as gerard.gatineau@laposte.net) id 3F683B1D006334CE for ros-kernel@reactos.com; Mon, 13 Oct 2003 07:45:03 +0200 Message-ID: <3F8A3BCB.1070006@laposte.net> Date: Mon, 13 Oct 2003 07:44:43 +0200 From: "gerard.gatineau" User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.1; en-US; rv:1.3) Gecko/20030312 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: ReactOS General List Subject: Re: [ros-kernel] Re: WINE porting templates - weekly snapshot References: <20031012190324.2066.qmail@web21101.mail.yahoo.com> In-Reply-To: <20031012190324.2066.qmail@web21101.mail.yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-BeenThere: ros-kernel@reactos.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.2 Precedence: list Reply-To: ReactOS General List List-Id: ReactOS General List List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 13 Oct 2003 05:46:23 -0000 Steven Edwards wrote: >--- "Dimitrie O. Paun" wrote: > > >>On October 11, 2003 06:40 pm, Steven Edwards wrote: >> >> >>>I really dont want to have a ReactOS column in the list as the >>> >>> >>ReactOS >> >> >>>project is planning on properly branching winehq cvs when WINE >>> >>> >>reaches >> >> >>>reaches 0.9/1.0. >>> >>> >>Why would you want to branch, I would have thought that you want to >>keep a common codebase. There is no reason most of Wine's DLL not to >>work out of the box for the ReactOS project. I wouldn't worry about >>the political aspect for now, I still think it would be a good idea >>to know how many DLLs you guys are using. In fact, nobody will blame >>us as you say, we will mark you (or the ReactOS team) as being >>responsible for the port, so you will have to field support/requrest >>questions. >> >> > >Well yes in the "should" work out of the box under ReactOS but most >dont work perfectly atm due to bugs in our Win32k/GDI/User32 >implementaion. I agree it would be nice to keep better track of this on >the WINE porting page and I do want to have a common codebase with as >little or no forking if possible but like I said I dont want to flood >Winehq with ReactOS bugs reports when its not the fault of one of the >WINE dlls. > >Currently ReactOS is on its 1.x branch and we still have problems using >the WINE dlls as shown below: >http://www.winehq.com/hypermail/wine-devel/2003/10/att-0145/02-taskmgr.png >http://www.reactos.com/content/view/full/305/ > >I dont make policy in ReactOS as to layout of CVS and code sharing so >this has to be discusses with our kernel maintainer. I would suggest >that for the time being the ReactOS should fork the dlls/programs we >need using CVS branching untill all of our rendering problems are >fixed. During this time I can make weekly snapshots of Winehq mingw >builds avaliable for people that really want them. After ReactOS 2.0 >Maybe we can drop our own forking of this code and work right out of >Winehq. > >Thanks >Steven > > > Steven, I like your proposal for weekly snapshot of wine dll which cannot be built for the moment in the Reactos module. This may allow everybody to be able to have some applications working in the box ( explorer , taslmgr, .....) regards Gerard From hybridus@seznam.cz Mon Oct 13 08:04:14 2003 Received: from dutlru2.lr.tudelft.nl (dutlru2.lr.tudelft.nl [130.161.164.58]) by dutlaso.lr.tudelft.nl (8.12.8/8.12.8) with ESMTP id h9D64Dkf021691 for ; Mon, 13 Oct 2003 08:04:14 +0200 Received: from ms2.dkm.cz (ms2.dkm.cz [62.24.64.14]) by dutlru2.lr.tudelft.nl (8.12.10/8.12.10) with SMTP id h9D64DXK017834 for ; Mon, 13 Oct 2003 08:04:13 +0200 Received: (qmail 99778 invoked by uid 0); 13 Oct 2003 06:04:01 -0000 Received: from aa55.mistral.cz (HELO seznam.cz) (62.24.92.55) by ms2.dkm.cz with SMTP; 13 Oct 2003 06:04:01 -0000 Message-ID: <3F8A4097.3070305@seznam.cz> Date: Mon, 13 Oct 2003 08:05:11 +0200 From: Patvor User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; Linux i686; cs-CZ; rv:1.4) Gecko/20030624 X-Accept-Language: cs, en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: ros-kernel@reactos.com X-Enigmail-Version: 0.76.3.0 X-Enigmail-Supports: pgp-inline, pgp-mime Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: [ros-kernel] global_mem directory X-BeenThere: ros-kernel@reactos.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.2 Precedence: list Reply-To: ReactOS General List List-Id: ReactOS General List List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 13 Oct 2003 06:04:14 -0000 make[2]: Leaving directory `/home/dave/ros/reactos/apps/tests/gditest' make -C global_mem implib make: *** global_mem: No such file or directory. Stop. make: Entering an unknown directorymake: Leaving an unknown directorymake[1]: *** [global_mem_implib] Error 2 make[1]: Leaving directory `/home/dave/ros/reactos/apps/tests' make: *** [tests_implib] Error 2 David From johannes_olofsson@spray.se Mon Oct 13 09:03:15 2003 Received: from dutlru2.lr.tudelft.nl (dutlru2.lr.tudelft.nl [130.161.164.58]) by dutlaso.lr.tudelft.nl (8.12.8/8.12.8) with ESMTP id h9D73Fkf022494 for ; Mon, 13 Oct 2003 09:03:15 +0200 Received: from lmsmtp04.st1.spray.net (lmsmtp04.st1.spray.net [212.78.202.114]) by dutlru2.lr.tudelft.nl (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id h9D73EXK093838 for ; Mon, 13 Oct 2003 09:03:14 +0200 Received: from martin (h73n2c1o1044.bredband.skanova.com [81.225.49.73]) by lmsmtp04.st1.spray.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1C51047E90 for ; Mon, 13 Oct 2003 09:02:39 +0200 (MEST) Date: Mon, 13 Oct 2003 08:59:23 +0200 To: ReactOS General List Subject: Re: [ros-kernel] Testing kbduk.dll... Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-15; format=flowed References: <59a835599237.59923759a835@liu.se> <017901c38d6f$613d9d20$0100a8c0@skynetp4> From: Johannes Olofsson MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <017901c38d6f$613d9d20$0100a8c0@skynetp4> User-Agent: Opera7.11/Win32 M2 build 2880 X-BeenThere: ros-kernel@reactos.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.2 Precedence: list Reply-To: ReactOS General List List-Id: ReactOS General List List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 13 Oct 2003 07:03:15 -0000 Try again with the current cvs. Since Art's and Hartmut's patch now seems to heve been checked in to the CVS it now should work in textmode too. (You probably just have to rename the file to kbdus.dll) Regards Johannes Olofsson On Wed, 08 Oct 2003 11:39:59 +0400, Aleksey Bragin wrote: > Hi! > > CapsLock and NumLock works fine (though I'm not an englishman, I have a > true > english keyboard :)). > > But problem with "\" isn't solved yet --- this key is located to the left > of > Z button, and when I hit it - nothing happens. Now, to type this slash I > have to press down the key to the left of Enter (~ # button). > > With the best regards, > Aleksey Bragin. > > ----- Original Message ----- From: "Johannes Olofsson" > > To: > Sent: Wednesday, October 08, 2003 11:05 AM > Subject: [ros-kernel] Testing kbduk.dll... > > >> Hi! >> Could somebody with access to a brittish keyboard evaluate this >> kbduk.dll. >> It is a modified version of Kbdus.dll in the CVS. >> Known issues: >> CapsLock and NumLock has no effect on the keys (at least in ROS...) >> AltGr does not work properly (suggestions about how AltGr is supposed to > be handled are more than welcome) >> >> Regards >> Johannes Olofsson >> > > > -------------------------------------------------------------------------- > > > -- > ---- > > >> _______________________________________________ >> Ros-kernel mailing list >> Ros-kernel@reactos.com >> http://reactos.geldorp.nl:8080/mailman/listinfo/ros-kernel > > _______________________________________________ > Ros-kernel mailing list > Ros-kernel@reactos.com > http://reactos.geldorp.nl:8080/mailman/listinfo/ros-kernel > From valen_v@aquanet.co.il Mon Oct 13 15:42:55 2003 Received: from dutlru2.lr.tudelft.nl (dutlru2.lr.tudelft.nl [130.161.164.58]) by dutlaso.lr.tudelft.nl (8.12.8/8.12.8) with ESMTP id h9DDgsxv002151 for ; Mon, 13 Oct 2003 15:42:55 +0200 Received: from main.aquanet.co.il (main.aquanet.co.il [192.117.240.10]) by dutlru2.lr.tudelft.nl (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id h9DDgrXK040178 for ; Mon, 13 Oct 2003 15:42:54 +0200 Received: from MAIN (81-5-17-236.aquanet.co.il [81.5.17.236]) by main.aquanet.co.il (8.11.6/8.11.6) with SMTP id h9DDfk300994 for ; Mon, 13 Oct 2003 15:41:47 +0200 Message-ID: <001201c3918f$bf5efc90$1a6f17ac@MAIN> From: "Valentin" To: "ReactOS General List" References: <20031012190324.2066.qmail@web21101.mail.yahoo.com> Subject: [ros-kernel] question of Synchronizing Date: Mon, 13 Oct 2003 15:41:46 +0200 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2720.3000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2727.1300 X-BeenThere: ros-kernel@reactos.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.2 Precedence: list Reply-To: ReactOS General List List-Id: ReactOS General List List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 13 Oct 2003 13:42:55 -0000 Hi all Do we have implemented functions like: ACQUIRE_EX(Vcb->Resource); RELEASE(Vcb->Resource); instead using of: KeAcquireSpinLock(&Vcb->ListLock, &oldIrql); KeReleaseSpinLock(&Vcb->ListLock, oldIrql); I have to keep several linked Lists in memory (Fcb, MFT Records, Index blocks at least) Does multiple SpinLock acquiring can affect a driver performance ? Is there any difference between both kind of functions? Regards, Valentin. From jimtabor@adsl-64-217-116-74.dsl.hstntx.swbell.net Mon Oct 13 17:54:51 2003 Received: from dutlru2.lr.tudelft.nl (dutlru2.lr.tudelft.nl [130.161.164.58]) by dutlaso.lr.tudelft.nl (8.12.8/8.12.8) with ESMTP id h9DFspxv004343 for ; Mon, 13 Oct 2003 17:54:51 +0200 Received: from dsl-64-217-116-74.dsl.hstntx.swbell.net (root@[64.217.116.74]) by dutlru2.lr.tudelft.nl (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id h9DFsoXK066170 for ; Mon, 13 Oct 2003 17:54:50 +0200 Received: from adsl-64-217-116-74.dsl.hstntx.swbell.net (adsl-64-217-116-73.dsl.hstntx.swbell.net [64.217.116.73]) by Mon, 13 Oct 2003 15:54:04 GMTdsl-64-217-116-74.dsl.hstntx.swbell.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id PAA11010 for ; Mon, 13 Oct 2003 15:54:04 GMT Message-ID: <3F8ACA99.5080507@adsl-64-217-116-74.dsl.hstntx.swbell.net> Date: Mon, 13 Oct 2003 15:54:01 +0000 From: James Tabor User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; Linux i586; en-US; rv:1.2b) Gecko/20021016 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: ReactOS General List Subject: Re: [ros-kernel] global_mem directory References: <3F8A4097.3070305@seznam.cz> In-Reply-To: <3F8A4097.3070305@seznam.cz> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-BeenThere: ros-kernel@reactos.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.2 Precedence: list Reply-To: ReactOS General List List-Id: ReactOS General List List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 13 Oct 2003 15:54:51 -0000 Patvor wrote: > make[2]: Leaving directory `/home/dave/ros/reactos/apps/tests/gditest' > make -C global_mem implib > make: *** global_mem: No such file or directory. Stop. > make: Entering an unknown directorymake: Leaving an unknown > directorymake[1]: *** [global_mem_implib] Error 2 > make[1]: Leaving directory `/home/dave/ros/reactos/apps/tests' > make: *** [tests_implib] Error 2 > > > David CVS is fixed now. James From jimtabor@adsl-64-217-116-74.dsl.hstntx.swbell.net Mon Oct 13 18:04:15 2003 Received: from dutlru2.lr.tudelft.nl (dutlru2.lr.tudelft.nl [130.161.164.58]) by dutlaso.lr.tudelft.nl (8.12.8/8.12.8) with ESMTP id h9DG4Fxv004550 for ; Mon, 13 Oct 2003 18:04:15 +0200 Received: from dsl-64-217-116-74.dsl.hstntx.swbell.net (root@[64.217.116.74]) by dutlru2.lr.tudelft.nl (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id h9DG4EXK021560 for ; Mon, 13 Oct 2003 18:04:14 +0200 Received: from adsl-64-217-116-74.dsl.hstntx.swbell.net (adsl-64-217-116-73.dsl.hstntx.swbell.net [64.217.116.73]) by Mon, 13 Oct 2003 16:02:37 GMTdsl-64-217-116-74.dsl.hstntx.swbell.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id QAA11031 for ; Mon, 13 Oct 2003 16:02:37 GMT Message-ID: <3F8ACC9A.8090402@adsl-64-217-116-74.dsl.hstntx.swbell.net> Date: Mon, 13 Oct 2003 16:02:34 +0000 From: James Tabor User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; Linux i586; en-US; rv:1.2b) Gecko/20021016 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: ReactOS General List Subject: Re: [ros-kernel] Re: WINE porting templates References: <20031012190324.2066.qmail@web21101.mail.yahoo.com> In-Reply-To: <20031012190324.2066.qmail@web21101.mail.yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-BeenThere: ros-kernel@reactos.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.2 Precedence: list Reply-To: ReactOS General List List-Id: ReactOS General List List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 13 Oct 2003 16:04:15 -0000 Hi Steven, Could you supply a snapshot zip file of pre-built wine dlls so we could play with them? :^> Thanks, James From xnavara@volny.cz Mon Oct 13 18:44:09 2003 Received: from dutlru2.lr.tudelft.nl (dutlru2.lr.tudelft.nl [130.161.164.58]) by dutlaso.lr.tudelft.nl (8.12.8/8.12.8) with ESMTP id h9DGi9xv005060 for ; Mon, 13 Oct 2003 18:44:09 +0200 Received: from smtp3.vol.cz (smtp3.vol.cz [195.250.128.83]) by dutlru2.lr.tudelft.nl (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id h9DGi9XK021516 for ; Mon, 13 Oct 2003 18:44:09 +0200 Received: from hornet (prahak-115.dialup.vol.cz [62.177.112.115]) by smtp3.vol.cz (8.12.8p2/8.12.8) with SMTP id h9DGi01p067193 for ; Mon, 13 Oct 2003 18:44:03 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from xnavara@volny.cz) Message-ID: <00f201c391a9$35293760$1a4cb13e@hornet> From: "Filip Navara" To: "ReactOS General List" References: <20031012190324.2066.qmail@web21101.mail.yahoo.com> <3F8ACC9A.8090402@adsl-64-217-116-74.dsl.hstntx.swbell.net> Subject: Re: [ros-kernel] Re: WINE porting templates Date: Mon, 13 Oct 2003 18:36:50 +0200 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1158 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 X-BeenThere: ros-kernel@reactos.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.2 Precedence: list Reply-To: ReactOS General List List-Id: ReactOS General List List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 13 Oct 2003 16:44:10 -0000 Well, you can use mine snapshot, until Steven will release something. It is at www.volny.cz/xnavara/reactos/dlls/alldlls.zip. It contains shell32, (our) winmm, (our) comctl32, ole32, oleaut32, shlwapi, rpcrt4, libwine, libwine_unicode, (our) winedbgc. FiN ----- Original Message ----- From: "James Tabor" To: "ReactOS General List" Sent: Monday, October 13, 2003 6:02 PM Subject: Re: [ros-kernel] Re: WINE porting templates > Hi Steven, > Could you supply a snapshot zip file of pre-built wine dlls so we could > play with them? :^> > Thanks, > James > > > _______________________________________________ > Ros-kernel mailing list > Ros-kernel@reactos.com > http://reactos.geldorp.nl:8080/mailman/listinfo/ros-kernel > From fd0man@chadeux.homelinux.net Mon Oct 13 20:09:04 2003 Received: from dutlru2.lr.tudelft.nl (dutlru2.lr.tudelft.nl [130.161.164.58]) by dutlaso.lr.tudelft.nl (8.12.8/8.12.8) with ESMTP id h9DI94xv006227 for ; Mon, 13 Oct 2003 20:09:04 +0200 Received: from chadeux.homelinux.net (cblmdm204-118-177-204.buckeye-express.com [204.118.177.204]) by dutlru2.lr.tudelft.nl (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id h9DI92XK039550 for ; Mon, 13 Oct 2003 20:09:03 +0200 Received: from chadeux.homelinux.net (IDENT:1000@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by chadeux.homelinux.net (8.12.8/8.12.8) with ESMTP id h9DI4ung011822 for ; Mon, 13 Oct 2003 14:04:56 -0400 Received: from localhost (fd0man@localhost) by chadeux.homelinux.net (8.12.8/8.12.8/Submit) with ESMTP id h9DI4uMi011819 for ; Mon, 13 Oct 2003 14:04:56 -0400 Date: Mon, 13 Oct 2003 14:04:53 -0400 (EDT) From: "Michael B. Trausch" To: ReactOS General List Subject: Re: [ros-kernel] ROS h/q req's [was: Release process] In-Reply-To: <000601c3914c$acadd000$0401a8c0@putte2k> Message-ID: References: <009d01c3909c$b85b6080$0a01a8c0@gse.local> <000601c3914c$acadd000$0401a8c0@putte2k> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII X-BeenThere: ros-kernel@reactos.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.2 Precedence: list Reply-To: ReactOS General List List-Id: ReactOS General List List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 13 Oct 2003 18:09:04 -0000 -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 On Mon, 13 Oct 2003, Mike Nordell wrote: > > Michael B. Trausch wrote: > > > Although, I need to ask, do we *want* ROS to run on 486+ CPU's? > > I see no reason why anything more recent would be required. After all, > unless my memory fails me, the immediate target (NT4) works just fine on > 486. > > > ROS currently doesn't run on my 486 computer, which it > > the only available one I have to test on... > > Do you know what Pentium specifics are used that stops this? > Sadly, I don't, and I don't have a way to capture all the debug info... ROS's KERNEL boots, I think, 'cuz it complains about not being initialized after 120 seconds... but I think it's drivers that fail, from the look of it... I'll write more on this after I put 0.1.4-release on it, and see what happens. - Mike Michael B. 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Just exit with alt-F4. Run enumwnd.exe, 2nd; FIXME: need LR_SHARED support Loading icon images 1. rect.top == 23 HSCROLL: 333 < 360 - 23 - 4 Now hit keys (1 thru 4) or mouse, than exit atl-F4 or using mouse. Run enumwnd.exe, 3rd; FIXME: need LR_SHARED support Loading icon images (objects/gdiobj.c:623) GDIOBJ_LockObj failed for 0x00010018, reqtype 0x00010000 reason 3 (objects/gdiobj.c:624) called from: ntuser/windc.c:178 (objects/gdiobj.c:623) GDIOBJ_LockObj failed for 0x00010018, reqtype 0x00010000 reason 3 (objects/gdiobj.c:624) called from: objects/dc.c:1609 (objects/gdiobj.c:623) GDIOBJ_LockObj failed for 0x00010018, reqtype 0x00010000 reason 3 (objects/gdiobj.c:624) called from: objects/dc.c:808 ExceptionRecord->ExceptionAddress = 0xde45d46c KeBugCheckWithTf at ke/catch.c:152 Bug detected (code 1e param 0 0 0 0) KMODE_EXCEPTION_NOT_HANDLED Page Fault Exception: 14(0) Processor: 0 CS:EIP 8:de45d46c cr2 40 cr3 c3e3000 Proc: c1647bfc Pid: a Thrd: c1646264 Tid: 2b DS 10 ES 10 FS 30 GS 10 EAX: 00000000 EBX: 00000010 ECX: 0000000d EDX: cdb97240 EBP: de8ecf78 ESI: 0060ad24 EDI: de8ecf84 EFLAGS: 00010293 kESP de8ececc kernel stack base de8ea000 ESP de8ececc Frames: ExceptionRecord->ExceptionAddress = 0xc 00054a4 KeBugCheckWithTf at ke/catch.c:152 Bug detected (code 1e param 0 0 0 0) KMODE_EXCEPTION_NOT_HANDLED Recursive bug check halting now From jasonfilby@yahoo.com Mon Oct 13 20:42:31 2003 Received: from dutlru2.lr.tudelft.nl (dutlru2.lr.tudelft.nl [130.161.164.58]) by dutlaso.lr.tudelft.nl (8.12.8/8.12.8) with ESMTP id h9DIgVxv006747 for ; Mon, 13 Oct 2003 20:42:31 +0200 Received: from web41509.mail.yahoo.com (web41509.mail.yahoo.com [66.218.93.92]) by dutlru2.lr.tudelft.nl (8.12.10/8.12.10) with SMTP id h9DIgTXK044274 for ; Mon, 13 Oct 2003 20:42:30 +0200 Message-ID: <20031013184219.71420.qmail@web41509.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [155.239.192.210] by web41509.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Mon, 13 Oct 2003 11:42:19 PDT Date: Mon, 13 Oct 2003 11:42:19 -0700 (PDT) From: Jason Filby To: ros-kernel@reactos.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Subject: [ros-kernel] ReactOS requirements X-BeenThere: ros-kernel@reactos.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.2 Precedence: list Reply-To: ReactOS General List List-Id: ReactOS General List List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 13 Oct 2003 18:42:32 -0000 Hi all Can someone please list the minimum requirements for ReactOS? I know 32 MB RAM is one of them. I'll put them on reactos.com for all to point to when the question comes up again (and it will). Thanks Jason __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? The New Yahoo! Shopping - with improved product search http://shopping.yahoo.com From ge@gse.nl Mon Oct 13 20:57:33 2003 Received: from dutlru2.lr.tudelft.nl (dutlru2.lr.tudelft.nl [130.161.164.58]) by dutlaso.lr.tudelft.nl (8.12.8/8.12.8) with ESMTP id h9DIvXxv006921 for ; Mon, 13 Oct 2003 20:57:33 +0200 Received: from smtpzilla5.xs4all.nl (smtpzilla5.xs4all.nl [194.109.127.141]) by dutlru2.lr.tudelft.nl (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id h9DIvXXK021584 for ; Mon, 13 Oct 2003 20:57:33 +0200 Received: from gsep1 (geldorp.xs4all.nl [194.109.161.161]) by smtpzilla5.xs4all.nl (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h9DIv3Hv042346 for ; Mon, 13 Oct 2003 20:57:03 +0200 (CEST) From: "Ge van Geldorp" To: "'ReactOS General List'" Subject: RE: [ros-kernel] ReactOS requirements Date: Mon, 13 Oct 2003 20:57:02 +0200 Message-ID: <000601c391bb$c9f64e20$0a01a8c0@gse.local> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.2616 In-Reply-To: <20031013184219.71420.qmail@web41509.mail.yahoo.com> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 Importance: Normal Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by dutlaso.lr.tudelft.nl id h9DIvXxv006921 X-BeenThere: ros-kernel@reactos.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.2 Precedence: list Reply-To: ReactOS General List List-Id: ReactOS General List List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 13 Oct 2003 18:57:33 -0000 > From: Jason Filby > > Can someone please list the minimum requirements for ReactOS? > I know 32 MB RAM is one of them. I'll put them on reactos.com > for all to point to when the question comes up again (and it > will). - IDE harddisk - VGA compatible video card - PS/2 compatible mouse or Microsoft Mouse compatible serial mouse - FAT16/FAT32 boot partition - Standard keyboard I probably forgot something... Network cards (NE2000/AMD PCNET, but not required?) Gé van Geldorp From fde101@yahoo.com Mon Oct 13 20:59:23 2003 Received: from dutlru2.lr.tudelft.nl (dutlru2.lr.tudelft.nl [130.161.164.58]) by dutlaso.lr.tudelft.nl (8.12.8/8.12.8) with ESMTP id h9DIxNxv006963 for ; Mon, 13 Oct 2003 20:59:23 +0200 Received: from web20802.mail.yahoo.com (web20802.mail.yahoo.com [216.136.226.191]) by dutlru2.lr.tudelft.nl (8.12.10/8.12.10) with SMTP id h9DIxLXK039932 for ; Mon, 13 Oct 2003 20:59:22 +0200 Message-ID: <20031013185920.99308.qmail@web20802.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [146.186.84.15] by web20802.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Mon, 13 Oct 2003 11:59:20 PDT Date: Mon, 13 Oct 2003 11:59:20 -0700 (PDT) From: "Frank D. Engel, Jr." Subject: Re: [ros-kernel] ReactOS requirements To: ReactOS General List In-Reply-To: <20031013184219.71420.qmail@web41509.mail.yahoo.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-BeenThere: ros-kernel@reactos.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.2 Precedence: list Reply-To: ReactOS General List List-Id: ReactOS General List List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 13 Oct 2003 18:59:23 -0000 A source of electrical current, being provided to the computing device in question ;-) More seriously, a source for installation and runtime media (CD-ROM/Floppy, Hard Drive, etc.) Also a monitor (is VGA already a requirement, anyone?), a keyboard, (is a pointing device required yet?), ... --- Jason Filby wrote: > Hi all > > Can someone please list the minimum requirements for ReactOS? I know > 32 > MB RAM is one of them. I'll put them on reactos.com for all to point > to > when the question comes up again (and it will). > > Thanks > Jason > > > > __________________________________ > Do you Yahoo!? > The New Yahoo! Shopping - with improved product search > http://shopping.yahoo.com > _______________________________________________ > Ros-kernel mailing list > Ros-kernel@reactos.com > http://reactos.geldorp.nl:8080/mailman/listinfo/ros-kernel ===== ======= Frank D. Engel, Jr. Modify the equilibrium of the vertically-oriented particle decelerator to result in the reestablishment of its resistance to counterproductive atmospheric penetration. __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? The New Yahoo! Shopping - with improved product search http://shopping.yahoo.com From vizzini@plasmic.com Mon Oct 13 21:08:31 2003 Received: from dutlru2.lr.tudelft.nl (dutlru2.lr.tudelft.nl [130.161.164.58]) by dutlaso.lr.tudelft.nl (8.12.8/8.12.8) with ESMTP id h9DJ8Vxv007133 for ; Mon, 13 Oct 2003 21:08:31 +0200 Received: from plasmir.plasmic.com (ident@plasmic.com [209.242.113.80]) by dutlru2.lr.tudelft.nl (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id h9DJ8UXK022940 for ; Mon, 13 Oct 2003 21:08:31 +0200 Received: from CPE-65-30-38-76.kc.rr.com (CPE-65-30-38-76.kc.rr.com [65.30.38.76]) by plasmir.plasmic.com (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-6.6) with ESMTP id h9DJ8PE4030109 for ; Mon, 13 Oct 2003 14:08:26 -0500 Subject: RE: [ros-kernel] ReactOS requirements From: Vizzini To: ReactOS General List In-Reply-To: <000601c391bb$c9f64e20$0a01a8c0@gse.local> References: <000601c391bb$c9f64e20$0a01a8c0@gse.local> Content-Type: text/plain Message-Id: <1066071983.24125.0.camel@bilbo.plasmic.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Ximian Evolution 1.4.5 Date: Mon, 13 Oct 2003 14:06:23 -0500 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none autolearn=no version=2.60 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.60 (1.212-2003-09-23-exp) on plasmir X-BeenThere: ros-kernel@reactos.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.2 Precedence: list Reply-To: ReactOS General List List-Id: ReactOS General List List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 13 Oct 2003 19:08:31 -0000 On Mon, 2003-10-13 at 13:57, Ge van Geldorp wrote: > > From: Jason Filby > > > > Can someone please list the minimum requirements for ReactOS? > I probably forgot something... Network cards (NE2000/AMD PCNET, but not > required?) Not required, and we have to sort out graceful non-loading of ndis in the absence of networking. Filip and I are going back and forth on this at the moment. -Vizzini From info@w3seek.de Mon Oct 13 21:10:43 2003 Received: from dutlru2.lr.tudelft.nl (dutlru2.lr.tudelft.nl [130.161.164.58]) by dutlaso.lr.tudelft.nl (8.12.8/8.12.8) with ESMTP id h9DJAgxv007191 for ; Mon, 13 Oct 2003 21:10:42 +0200 Received: from hsp51.hspserver.com (hsp51.hspserver.com [213.131.231.14]) by dutlru2.lr.tudelft.nl (8.12.10/8.12.10) with SMTP id h9DJAgXK022870 for ; Mon, 13 Oct 2003 21:10:42 +0200 Received: (qmail 6211 invoked from network); 13 Oct 2003 19:09:26 -0000 Received: from pd9e0c468.dip.t-dialin.net (HELO w3seek.de) (217.224.196.104) by hsp51.hspserver.com with SMTP; 13 Oct 2003 19:09:26 -0000 Message-ID: <3F8AF85D.5050602@w3seek.de> Date: Mon, 13 Oct 2003 21:09:17 +0200 From: Thomas Weidenmueller User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.1; en-US; rv:1.5) Gecko/20030925 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: ReactOS General List Subject: Re: [ros-kernel] Test Results References: <3F8AF06A.3050405@adsl-64-217-116-74.dsl.hstntx.swbell.net> In-Reply-To: <3F8AF06A.3050405@adsl-64-217-116-74.dsl.hstntx.swbell.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-BeenThere: ros-kernel@reactos.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.2 Precedence: list Reply-To: ReactOS General List List-Id: ReactOS General List List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 13 Oct 2003 19:10:43 -0000 James Tabor wrote: > Run simple.exe > > (KERNEL32:process/create.c:328) Process terminated abnormally due to > unhandled exception > (KERNEL32:process/create.c:329) Address: 77f69eaa > that's because i rewrote the messagebox code. however the code works fine on windows and should also work fine on reactos. i tried to find the reason why it crashes, had no luck though :( It crashes somewhere while registering the controls classes in user32 and i have no clue why. Regards Thomas From jasonfilby@yahoo.com Mon Oct 13 21:26:21 2003 Received: from dutlru2.lr.tudelft.nl (dutlru2.lr.tudelft.nl [130.161.164.58]) by dutlaso.lr.tudelft.nl (8.12.8/8.12.8) with ESMTP id h9DJQLxv007451 for ; Mon, 13 Oct 2003 21:26:21 +0200 Received: from web41505.mail.yahoo.com (web41505.mail.yahoo.com [66.218.93.88]) by dutlru2.lr.tudelft.nl (8.12.10/8.12.10) with SMTP id h9DJQKXK022952 for ; Mon, 13 Oct 2003 21:26:20 +0200 Message-ID: <20031013192610.75758.qmail@web41505.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [155.239.192.210] by web41505.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Mon, 13 Oct 2003 12:26:10 PDT Date: Mon, 13 Oct 2003 12:26:10 -0700 (PDT) From: Jason Filby To: ros-kernel@reactos.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Subject: [ros-kernel] ReactOS Roadmap X-BeenThere: ros-kernel@reactos.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.2 Precedence: list Reply-To: ReactOS General List List-Id: ReactOS General List List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 13 Oct 2003 19:26:21 -0000 Hi all This is an important topic that needs dealing with - we need everyone to get involved on this topic. We need a roadmap because: · it attracts more developers - I have personally witnessed a dev saying that they're hesitant to get involved because we have no roadmap · funding - investors cannot be expected to give funding to the Foundation if we can't tell them what our roadmap is · we know where we're going and can work together more effectively After discussion with Vizzini we agreed that the best way to do this is set major milestones for the next 6, 12 and 18 months. Then, fill in the details on how to get there in between. Please suggest: · major milestones (6, 12 and 18 months away) · minor milestones (minimum granularity of a month) Thanks for your support in this matter! Lets get this discussion on the roll :) Regards Jason __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? The New Yahoo! Shopping - with improved product search http://shopping.yahoo.com From steven_ed4153@yahoo.com Mon Oct 13 23:29:46 2003 Received: from dutlru2.lr.tudelft.nl (dutlru2.lr.tudelft.nl [130.161.164.58]) by dutlaso.lr.tudelft.nl (8.12.8/8.12.8) with ESMTP id h9DLTkxv009277 for ; Mon, 13 Oct 2003 23:29:46 +0200 Received: from web21104.mail.yahoo.com (web21104.mail.yahoo.com [216.136.227.106]) by dutlru2.lr.tudelft.nl (8.12.10/8.12.10) with SMTP id h9DLTiXK066180 for ; Mon, 13 Oct 2003 23:29:45 +0200 Message-ID: <20031013212839.14953.qmail@web21104.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [66.83.186.125] by web21104.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Mon, 13 Oct 2003 14:28:39 PDT Date: Mon, 13 Oct 2003 14:28:39 -0700 (PDT) From: Steven Edwards To: dpaun@rogers.com, wine-devel@winehq.com, Vizzini In-Reply-To: <200310131103.22729.dpaun@rogers.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Cc: ros-kernel@reactos.com Subject: [ros-kernel] Re: WINE porting templates X-BeenThere: ros-kernel@reactos.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.2 Precedence: list Reply-To: ReactOS General List List-Id: ReactOS General List List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 13 Oct 2003 21:29:46 -0000 --- "Dimitrie O. Paun" wrote: > I think forking them does no one no favours, either Wine for ReactOS. > If our code is OK, tweaking it to work around bugs in ReactOS is a > very, very bad idea: > -- you end up with a system capable of running just some tweaked > apps > -- it diminishes incentive to fix the real problem > -- we end up with a forked codebase > Similarly, if we have problems in our codebase, we'd appreciate > fixes, > or at least to know about it. This is the entire reason to want our > stuff to be portable -- to have other people test the code and report > (or even fix) problems. If you fork the code, you also cut the stream > of patches flowing into Wine. > > In the end we both lose. Even if you don't care about Wine, I can't > see > how forking anything is a good idea for ReactOS. Dont get me wrong I dont think it is either. I just dont make the policy as to how we are going to handle this in ReactOS. I am all for us working together as much as possible with little or no forking but its going to take some work to setup a system that will work for both partys. I will start by setting up a box that does weekly builds for Mingw/ReactOS. Thanks Steven __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? The New Yahoo! Shopping - with improved product search http://shopping.yahoo.com From jasonfilby@yahoo.com Mon Oct 13 23:50:18 2003 Received: from dutlru2.lr.tudelft.nl (dutlru2.lr.tudelft.nl [130.161.164.58]) by dutlaso.lr.tudelft.nl (8.12.8/8.12.8) with ESMTP id h9DLoIxv009488 for ; Mon, 13 Oct 2003 23:50:18 +0200 Received: from web41511.mail.yahoo.com (web41511.mail.yahoo.com [66.218.93.94]) by dutlru2.lr.tudelft.nl (8.12.10/8.12.10) with SMTP id h9DLoGXK066058 for ; Mon, 13 Oct 2003 23:50:17 +0200 Message-ID: <20031013214909.73093.qmail@web41511.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [155.239.193.178] by web41511.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Mon, 13 Oct 2003 14:49:09 PDT Date: Mon, 13 Oct 2003 14:49:09 -0700 (PDT) From: Jason Filby Subject: Re: [ros-kernel] ReactOS requirements To: ReactOS General List MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-BeenThere: ros-kernel@reactos.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.2 Precedence: list Reply-To: ReactOS General List List-Id: ReactOS General List List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 13 Oct 2003 21:50:18 -0000 Thanks Ge, its now available in the Library under the Installation Guide: http://reactos.com/index.php/content/view/full/325 Cheers Jason Ge van Geldorp wrote: >>From: Jason Filby >> >> > > > > > > >>Can someone please list the minimum requirements for ReactOS? >> >> > > > >>I know 32 MB RAM is one of them. I'll put them on reactos.com >> >> > > > >>for all to point to when the question comes up again (and it >> >> > > > >>will). >> >> > > > >- IDE harddisk > >- VGA compatible video card > >- PS/2 compatible mouse or Microsoft Mouse compatible serial mouse > >- FAT16/FAT32 boot partition > >- Standard keyboard > > > >I probably forgot something... Network cards (NE2000/AMD PCNET, but not > >required?) > > > >Gé van Geldorp > > > > > >_______________________________________________ > >Ros-kernel mailing list > >Ros-kernel@reactos.com > >http://reactos.geldorp.nl:8080/mailman/listinfo/ros-kernel > > > __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? The New Yahoo! Shopping - with improved product search http://shopping.yahoo.com From ge@gse.nl Mon Oct 13 23:57:41 2003 Received: from dutlru2.lr.tudelft.nl (dutlru2.lr.tudelft.nl [130.161.164.58]) by dutlaso.lr.tudelft.nl (8.12.8/8.12.8) with ESMTP id h9DLvfxv009537 for ; Mon, 13 Oct 2003 23:57:41 +0200 Received: from smtpzilla5.xs4all.nl (smtpzilla5.xs4all.nl [194.109.127.141]) by dutlru2.lr.tudelft.nl (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id h9DLvfXK066138 for ; Mon, 13 Oct 2003 23:57:41 +0200 Received: from gsep1 (geldorp.xs4all.nl [194.109.161.161]) by smtpzilla5.xs4all.nl (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h9DLvBcP015517 for ; Mon, 13 Oct 2003 23:57:11 +0200 (CEST) From: "Ge van Geldorp" To: "'ReactOS General List'" Subject: RE: [ros-kernel] ReactOS requirements Date: Mon, 13 Oct 2003 23:57:11 +0200 Message-ID: <001301c391d4$f4270cc0$0a01a8c0@gse.local> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.2616 In-Reply-To: <20031013214909.73093.qmail@web41511.mail.yahoo.com> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 Importance: Normal X-BeenThere: ros-kernel@reactos.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.2 Precedence: list Reply-To: ReactOS General List List-Id: ReactOS General List List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 13 Oct 2003 21:57:41 -0000 > From: Jason Filby > > its now available in the Library under the Installation Guide: > http://reactos.com/index.php/content/view/full/325 > > Cheers > Jason > >From: Jason Filby > >Can someone please list the minimum requirements for ReactOS? > >I know 32 MB RAM is one of them. I'll put them on reactos.com Ehhmmm, you forgot the 32Mb RAM.... From valen_v@aquanet.co.il Tue Oct 14 00:08:33 2003 Received: from dutlru2.lr.tudelft.nl (dutlru2.lr.tudelft.nl [130.161.164.58]) by dutlaso.lr.tudelft.nl (8.12.8/8.12.8) with ESMTP id h9DM8Xxv009634 for ; Tue, 14 Oct 2003 00:08:33 +0200 Received: from main.aquanet.co.il (main.aquanet.co.il [192.117.240.10]) by dutlru2.lr.tudelft.nl (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id h9DM8SXK021508 for ; Tue, 14 Oct 2003 00:08:31 +0200 Received: from MAIN (81-5-12-112.aquanet.co.il [81.5.12.112]) by main.aquanet.co.il (8.11.6/8.11.6) with SMTP id h9DM8L313683 for ; Tue, 14 Oct 2003 00:08:21 +0200 Message-ID: <002e01c391d6$83fc8860$1a6f17ac@MAIN> From: "Valentin" To: "ReactOS General List" References: <20031013192610.75758.qmail@web41505.mail.yahoo.com> Subject: Re: [ros-kernel] ReactOS Roadmap Date: Tue, 14 Oct 2003 00:08:20 +0200 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2720.3000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2727.1300 X-BeenThere: ros-kernel@reactos.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.2 Precedence: list Reply-To: ReactOS General List List-Id: ReactOS General List List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 13 Oct 2003 22:08:33 -0000 Among other major milestones in ROS roadmap, I'd like to suggest the following: 1. To build the base for ROS Preinstallation Edition This is a complete Win32 environment with GUI & Network support running from CD. It can be used in future for recovery & other goals as rescue platform (e.g when a host non-booting system can be restored with ROS PE ) There are companies making recovery tools and looking for this OS: e.g Winternals, image LAN , etc. MS Win PE has very expensive license that accessible only for big OEM customers. I am ready personally to take part in this undertaking , after NTFS will be comleted :-) 2. To enable OS adjustment for various goals: - Workstation or Server key building possibility. - Creation Real-Time possibility by means IRQL engine tuning in the time of compiling. In W2k user-level applications execute only when a processor's IRQL is at passive, therefor it isn't suitable as a real-time OS. We can try to adjust ROS to enable, that special case in a live system won't cause the system to miss an important deadline. -Open source OS is more attractive for enterpises as long as it allow to get customizable parameters (e.g to change the max. count of open sockets in host) - We can exploit most weak features of Microsoft Windows to draw attention from potential investors. Regards, Valentin. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jason Filby" To: Sent: Monday, October 13, 2003 9:26 PM Subject: [ros-kernel] ReactOS Roadmap > Hi all > > This is an important topic that needs dealing with - we need everyone > to > get involved on this topic. We need a roadmap because: > · it attracts more developers - I have personally witnessed a dev > saying > that they're hesitant to get involved because we have no roadmap > · funding - investors cannot be expected to give funding to the > Foundation if we can't tell them what our roadmap is > · we know where we're going and can work together more effectively > > After discussion with Vizzini we agreed that the best way to do this > is > set major milestones for the next 6, 12 and 18 months. Then, fill in > the > details on how to get there in between. > > Please suggest: > · major milestones (6, 12 and 18 months away) > · minor milestones (minimum granularity of a month) > > Thanks for your support in this matter! Lets get this discussion on > the > roll :) > > Regards > Jason > > > > __________________________________ > Do you Yahoo!? > The New Yahoo! Shopping - with improved product search > http://shopping.yahoo.com > _______________________________________________ > Ros-kernel mailing list > Ros-kernel@reactos.com > http://reactos.geldorp.nl:8080/mailman/listinfo/ros-kernel > From fd0man@chadeux.homelinux.net Tue Oct 14 01:08:48 2003 Received: from dutlru2.lr.tudelft.nl (dutlru2.lr.tudelft.nl [130.161.164.58]) by dutlaso.lr.tudelft.nl (8.12.8/8.12.8) with ESMTP id h9DN8mxv010202 for ; Tue, 14 Oct 2003 01:08:48 +0200 Received: from chadeux.homelinux.net (cblmdm204-118-177-204.buckeye-express.com [204.118.177.204]) by dutlru2.lr.tudelft.nl (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id h9DN8jXK022558 for ; Tue, 14 Oct 2003 01:08:46 +0200 Received: from chadeux.homelinux.net (IDENT:1000@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by chadeux.homelinux.net (8.12.8/8.12.8) with ESMTP id h9DN4dng012665 for ; Mon, 13 Oct 2003 19:04:39 -0400 Received: from localhost (fd0man@localhost) by chadeux.homelinux.net (8.12.8/8.12.8/Submit) with ESMTP id h9DN4cRl012662 for ; Mon, 13 Oct 2003 19:04:38 -0400 Date: Mon, 13 Oct 2003 19:04:34 -0400 (EDT) From: "Michael B. Trausch" To: ros-kernel@reactos.com Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Subject: [ros-kernel] ROS on 486 X-BeenThere: ros-kernel@reactos.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.2 Precedence: list Reply-To: ReactOS General List List-Id: ReactOS General List List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 13 Oct 2003 23:08:48 -0000 -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 SMSS fails to load. Here's as much of the screen as is present, on the screen (started with screen debugging enabled), with more info to follow: - ---Screen output (last 50 lines) begin: (io/driver.c:230) IopInitializeDriver() failed (Status c0000001) Loading DebugOut... (io/pnpmgr.c:275) ParentNode c75ed010 PhysicalDeviceObject 0 DriverBase for \SystemRoot\System32\drivers\debugout.sys: ddbbb000 Loading Blue... (io/pnpmgr.c:275) ParentNode c75ed010 PhysicalDeviceObject 0 DriverBase for \SystemRoot\System32\drivers\blue.sys: ddbd1000 Loading Vga... (io/pnpmgr.c:275) ParentNode c75ed010 PhysicalDeviceObject 0 DriverBase for \SystemRoot\System32\drivers\vgamp.sys: ddbe8000 DriverBase for \SystemRoot\System32\drivers\videoprt.sys: ddc0c000 Loading Msfs... (io/pnpmgr.c:275) ParentNode c75ed010 PhysicalDeviceObject 0 DriverBase for \SystemRoot\System32\drivers\msfs.sys: ddc25000 Mailslot FSD 0.0.1 Loading Npfs... (io/pnpmgr.c:275) ParentNode c75ed010 PhysicalDeviceObject 0 DriverBase for \SystemRoot\System32\drivers\npfs.sys: ddc40000 Named Pipe FSD 0.0.2 Loading Ndis... (io/pnpmgr.c:275) ParentNode c75ed010 PhysicalDeviceObject 0 DriverBase for \SystemRoot\System32\drivers\ndis.sys: ddc9c000 (io/pnpmgr.c:275) ParentNode c75ed010 PhysicalDeviceObject 0 DriverBase for \SystemRoot\System32\drivers\ne2000.sys: ddcd2000 (ndis/miniport.c:1479)(NdisIStartAdapter) MiniportInitialize() failed for an adapter. Loading kmregtests... (io/pnpmgr.c:275) ParentNode c75ed010 PhysicalDeviceObject 0 (io/driver.c:210) LdrLoadModule() failed (Status c0000034) Autochk 0.0.1 Checking Drive C: OK Checking Drive D: OK SMSS: Created paging file \??\C:\reactos\pagefile.sys with size 200KB DriverBase for \SystemRoot\system32\win32k.sys: ddf07000 DriverBase for \SystemRoot\system32\freetype.dll: de01b000 Win32K: Failed to open mouse. Failed to initialize imput implementation. (init.c:918) SM: Failed to load subsystems (Status c0000001) (smss.c:79) SM: Initialization failed! (ke/error.c:28) Hard error c000021a (ke/catch.c:130) Unhandled UserMode exception, terminating thread - ---End of that screen output. After two minutes of sitting like this (well a few seconds short of two minutes, anyway), another line pops up: (ke/main.c:803) WARNING: System not initialized after 120 seconds. After that, the system appears to be dead. I can do nothing but press Reset on the case, to reboot, there is nothing that I can switch to, and it *appears* totally dead to me. Anything else that I can try to help narrow down the problem? This is a 486 system, DX series, with math coprocessor built-in. It's got 32 MiB of RAM, and a 200 MiB hard disk that ROS lives on. Later, Mike Michael B. Trausch AIM: MBTrausch 720 Orchard St. E-mail: fd0man@chadeux.homelinux.net Toledo, OH 43609 Second E-Mail: fd0man@yahoo.com (419) 514-5047 Web: http://chadeux.homelinux.net - ----------------------------------------------------------------- People will forget what you said and what you did, but they will never forget how you made them feel. - ----------------------------------------------------------------- NOTICE: fd0man@yahoo.com's key is REVOKED. Please do not use it Revokation Certificate is in the zip file @ the website below. - ----------------------------------------------------------------- If you'd like to send me secure mail, please obtain my gpg public key from my website, listed below, or if you have a Unix system: finger fd0man@chadeux.homelinux.net |less http://chadeux.homelinux.net/users/fd0man/ -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.2.1 (GNU/Linux) iD8DBQE/iy+F85RqKeHavSsRAr/OAKCzcAWGcabU9pAghYGbAahfxmRYhgCgtKga r85rP1JZCFLDLpdiB6Z1fWg= =iXWm -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- From steven_ed4153@yahoo.com Tue Oct 14 01:37:15 2003 Received: from dutlru2.lr.tudelft.nl (dutlru2.lr.tudelft.nl [130.161.164.58]) by dutlaso.lr.tudelft.nl (8.12.8/8.12.8) with ESMTP id h9DNbFxv010419 for ; Tue, 14 Oct 2003 01:37:15 +0200 Received: from web21104.mail.yahoo.com (web21104.mail.yahoo.com [216.136.227.106]) by dutlru2.lr.tudelft.nl (8.12.10/8.12.10) with SMTP id h9DNbDXK112718 for ; Tue, 14 Oct 2003 01:37:14 +0200 Message-ID: <20031013233712.39922.qmail@web21104.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [66.83.186.125] by web21104.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Mon, 13 Oct 2003 16:37:12 PDT Date: Mon, 13 Oct 2003 16:37:12 -0700 (PDT) From: Steven Edwards To: martin-fuchs@gmx.net In-Reply-To: <000a01c391c5$558f8600$060aa8c0@lisi> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Cc: ros-kernel@reactos.com Subject: [ros-kernel] Re: SetShellWindow() and friends X-BeenThere: ros-kernel@reactos.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.2 Precedence: list Reply-To: ReactOS General List List-Id: ReactOS General List List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 13 Oct 2003 23:37:15 -0000 Hello Martin, Does SetShellWindows() and friends work under ReactOS? Thanks Steven --- Martin Fuchs wrote: > Hello Uwe, > > I have merged the tests into dlls/user/tests/win.c and extended them > a bit. I tried them on Win XP and on WIN 98 and had to see, there are > some differencies between the operating systems. So a few tests are > commented out with an apropiet comment. Now all active SetShellWindow > tests are passing on real windows. > > Btw: Are you aware of the fact, that some of the existing old tests > have problems on WIN 98? I had to disable them to run the executable > successfully, because it displays a "This program performed an > illegal operation and will be shut down"-box. > > Greetings, > > Martin > > > > Martin> cout << "first call to SetShellWindow(hwnd): " << (ret? > > Martin> "SUCCESS": "FAILURE") << "\n"; > > > > As plain C programm this could perhpas be included in out test suite... > ATTACHMENT part 2 application/octet-stream name=diff __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? The New Yahoo! Shopping - with improved product search http://shopping.yahoo.com From jimtabor@adsl-64-217-116-74.dsl.hstntx.swbell.net Tue Oct 14 01:38:20 2003 Received: from dutlru2.lr.tudelft.nl (dutlru2.lr.tudelft.nl [130.161.164.58]) by dutlaso.lr.tudelft.nl (8.12.8/8.12.8) with ESMTP id h9DNcKxv010441 for ; Tue, 14 Oct 2003 01:38:20 +0200 Received: from dsl-64-217-116-74.dsl.hstntx.swbell.net ([64.217.116.74]) by dutlru2.lr.tudelft.nl (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id h9DNcJXK039734 for ; Tue, 14 Oct 2003 01:38:19 +0200 Received: from adsl-64-217-116-74.dsl.hstntx.swbell.net (adsl-64-217-116-73.dsl.hstntx.swbell.net [64.217.116.73]) by Mon, 13 Oct 2003 23:37:44 GMTdsl-64-217-116-74.dsl.hstntx.swbell.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id XAA11808 for ; Mon, 13 Oct 2003 23:37:44 GMT Message-ID: <3F8B3742.8020606@adsl-64-217-116-74.dsl.hstntx.swbell.net> Date: Mon, 13 Oct 2003 23:37:38 +0000 From: James Tabor User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; Linux i586; en-US; rv:1.2b) Gecko/20021016 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: ReactOS General List Subject: Re: [ros-kernel] ROS on 486 References: In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-BeenThere: ros-kernel@reactos.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.2 Precedence: list Reply-To: ReactOS General List List-Id: ReactOS General List List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 13 Oct 2003 23:38:20 -0000 Hi! Michael B. Trausch wrote: > > > After that, the system appears to be dead. I can do nothing but press > Reset on the case, to reboot, there is nothing that I can switch to, and > it *appears* totally dead to me. > > Well, at least some where in wonder land I guess. I though ROS was bootable from an 386~!?, James From steven_ed4153@yahoo.com Tue Oct 14 01:41:01 2003 Received: from dutlru2.lr.tudelft.nl (dutlru2.lr.tudelft.nl [130.161.164.58]) by dutlaso.lr.tudelft.nl (8.12.8/8.12.8) with ESMTP id h9DNf1xv010475 for ; Tue, 14 Oct 2003 01:41:01 +0200 Received: from web21108.mail.yahoo.com (web21108.mail.yahoo.com [216.136.227.110]) by dutlru2.lr.tudelft.nl (8.12.10/8.12.10) with SMTP id h9DNf0XK022902 for ; Tue, 14 Oct 2003 01:41:00 +0200 Message-ID: <20031013234057.1360.qmail@web21108.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [66.83.186.125] by web21108.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Mon, 13 Oct 2003 16:40:57 PDT Date: Mon, 13 Oct 2003 16:40:57 -0700 (PDT) From: Steven Edwards Subject: Re: [ros-kernel] ReactOS Roadmap To: ReactOS General List In-Reply-To: <002e01c391d6$83fc8860$1a6f17ac@MAIN> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-BeenThere: ros-kernel@reactos.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.2 Precedence: list Reply-To: ReactOS General List List-Id: ReactOS General List List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 13 Oct 2003 23:41:01 -0000 I really like the idea of option 1. as a money maker. I use the Linux NT password recovery boot disk quite a bit to mount and map customers SAM files where they have lost there WindowsNT/2K passwords. I would really like to have a edition of ReactOS that can do this. Thanks Steven --- Valentin wrote: > Among other major milestones in ROS roadmap, > I'd like to suggest the following: > 1. To build the base for ROS Preinstallation Edition > This is a complete Win32 environment with GUI & Network support > running > from CD. > It can be used in future for recovery & other goals as rescue > platform > (e.g when > a host non-booting system can be restored with ROS PE ) > There are companies making recovery tools and looking for this > OS: > e.g Winternals, image LAN , etc. MS Win PE has very expensive > license > that accessible only for big OEM customers. > I am ready personally to take part in this undertaking , after > NTFS > will be comleted :-) > __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? The New Yahoo! Shopping - with improved product search http://shopping.yahoo.com From fd0man@chadeux.homelinux.net Tue Oct 14 01:46:44 2003 Received: from dutlru2.lr.tudelft.nl (dutlru2.lr.tudelft.nl [130.161.164.58]) by dutlaso.lr.tudelft.nl (8.12.8/8.12.8) with ESMTP id h9DNkixv010517 for ; Tue, 14 Oct 2003 01:46:44 +0200 Received: from chadeux.homelinux.net (cblmdm204-118-177-204.buckeye-express.com [204.118.177.204]) by dutlru2.lr.tudelft.nl (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id h9DNkhXK113036 for ; Tue, 14 Oct 2003 01:46:43 +0200 Received: from chadeux.homelinux.net (IDENT:1000@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by chadeux.homelinux.net (8.12.8/8.12.8) with ESMTP id h9DNgbng013110 for ; Mon, 13 Oct 2003 19:42:37 -0400 Received: from localhost (fd0man@localhost) by chadeux.homelinux.net (8.12.8/8.12.8/Submit) with ESMTP id h9DNgaqJ013103 for ; Mon, 13 Oct 2003 19:42:36 -0400 Date: Mon, 13 Oct 2003 19:39:19 -0400 (EDT) From: "Michael B. Trausch" To: ReactOS General List Subject: Re: [ros-kernel] ROS on 486 In-Reply-To: <3F8B3742.8020606@adsl-64-217-116-74.dsl.hstntx.swbell.net> Message-ID: References: <3F8B3742.8020606@adsl-64-217-116-74.dsl.hstntx.swbell.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII X-BeenThere: ros-kernel@reactos.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.2 Precedence: list Reply-To: ReactOS General List List-Id: ReactOS General List List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 13 Oct 2003 23:46:44 -0000 -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 On Mon, 13 Oct 2003, James Tabor wrote: > > > > After that, the system appears to be dead. I can do nothing but press > > Reset on the case, to reboot, there is nothing that I can switch to, and > > it *appears* totally dead to me. > > > > > > Well, at least some where in wonder land I guess. > > I though ROS was bootable from an 386~!?, > James > Well, I know that NT 4 ran on a 486. Do we want to target this, or should I scrap my tester machines? lol... - Mike Michael B. Trausch AIM: MBTrausch 720 Orchard St. E-mail: fd0man@chadeux.homelinux.net Toledo, OH 43609 Second E-Mail: fd0man@yahoo.com (419) 514-5047 Web: http://chadeux.homelinux.net - ----------------------------------------------------------------- People will forget what you said and what you did, but they will never forget how you made them feel. - ----------------------------------------------------------------- NOTICE: fd0man@yahoo.com's key is REVOKED. Please do not use it Revokation Certificate is in the zip file @ the website below. - ----------------------------------------------------------------- If you'd like to send me secure mail, please obtain my gpg public key from my website, listed below, or if you have a Unix system: finger fd0man@chadeux.homelinux.net |less http://chadeux.homelinux.net/users/fd0man/ -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.2.1 (GNU/Linux) iD8DBQE/izep85RqKeHavSsRAkmJAJ9S/JkyaKaXU55F709fYLDgp2+1VACglkNz B0Xc81hn+pvueLSMuFIn6LM= =mO74 -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- From tamlin@algonet.se Tue Oct 14 01:47:35 2003 Received: from dutlru2.lr.tudelft.nl (dutlru2.lr.tudelft.nl [130.161.164.58]) by dutlaso.lr.tudelft.nl (8.12.8/8.12.8) with ESMTP id h9DNlZxv010536 for ; Tue, 14 Oct 2003 01:47:35 +0200 Received: from smtp4.hy.skanova.net (smtp4.hy.skanova.net [195.67.199.133]) by dutlru2.lr.tudelft.nl (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id h9DNlYXK112944 for ; Tue, 14 Oct 2003 01:47:34 +0200 Received: from putte2k (h29n2fls31o987.telia.com [213.66.43.29]) by smtp4.hy.skanova.net (8.12.10/8.12.10) with SMTP id h9DNkJil000271 for ; Tue, 14 Oct 2003 01:46:19 +0200 (CEST) Message-ID: <000501c391e4$530abed0$0401a8c0@putte2k> From: "Mike Nordell" To: "ros-kernel" Date: Tue, 14 Oct 2003 01:47:10 +0200 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="Windows-1252" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4927.1200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4927.1200 Subject: [ros-kernel] More IRQL problems X-BeenThere: ros-kernel@reactos.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.2 Precedence: list Reply-To: ReactOS General List List-Id: ReactOS General List List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 13 Oct 2003 23:47:35 -0000 This time from GDIOBJ_iAllocHandleTable in win32k\objects\gdiobj.c. CVS currently doesn't contain checks that APC delivery indeed is disabled when calling ExAcquireFastMutexUnsafe. Adding this check makes the code not work. I believe disabling APC delivery in GDIOBJ_iAllocHandleTable, either by calling KeEnterCriticalRegion or by simply raising IRQL to APC_LEVEL, could be seen as a Good Thing(tm). Comments? /Mike From jimtabor@adsl-64-217-116-74.dsl.hstntx.swbell.net Tue Oct 14 01:53:19 2003 Received: from dutlru2.lr.tudelft.nl (dutlru2.lr.tudelft.nl [130.161.164.58]) by dutlaso.lr.tudelft.nl (8.12.8/8.12.8) with ESMTP id h9DNrJxv010577 for ; Tue, 14 Oct 2003 01:53:19 +0200 Received: from dsl-64-217-116-74.dsl.hstntx.swbell.net (root@[64.217.116.74]) by dutlru2.lr.tudelft.nl (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id h9DNrHXK061736 for ; Tue, 14 Oct 2003 01:53:18 +0200 Received: from adsl-64-217-116-74.dsl.hstntx.swbell.net (adsl-64-217-116-73.dsl.hstntx.swbell.net [64.217.116.73]) by Mon, 13 Oct 2003 23:52:43 GMTdsl-64-217-116-74.dsl.hstntx.swbell.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id XAA11865 for ; Mon, 13 Oct 2003 23:52:43 GMT Message-ID: <3F8B3AC5.5060501@adsl-64-217-116-74.dsl.hstntx.swbell.net> Date: Mon, 13 Oct 2003 23:52:37 +0000 From: James Tabor User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; Linux i586; en-US; rv:1.2b) Gecko/20021016 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: ReactOS General List Subject: Re: [ros-kernel] ROS on 486 References: <3F8B3742.8020606@adsl-64-217-116-74.dsl.hstntx.swbell.net> In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-BeenThere: ros-kernel@reactos.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.2 Precedence: list Reply-To: ReactOS General List List-Id: ReactOS General List List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 13 Oct 2003 23:53:19 -0000 Michael B. Trausch wrote: > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- > Hash: SHA1 > > On Mon, 13 Oct 2003, James Tabor wrote: > > >>After that, the system appears to be dead. I can do nothing but press > >>Reset on the case, to reboot, there is nothing that I can switch to, and > >>it *appears* totally dead to me. > >> > >> > > > >Well, at least some where in wonder land I guess. > > > >I though ROS was bootable from an 386~!?, > >James > > > > > Well, I know that NT 4 ran on a 486. > > Do we want to target this, or should I scrap my tester machines? lol... > > - Mike > Hi, On this list years ago, we discussed and bragged about how Ros would boot on a 386. I though that was the mission for ros, so everyone could use it, even for embedded processor systems. Scrap? I just retired my P/MMX 200 system for an new A 2000+ one. Don't Know, James From jimtabor@adsl-64-217-116-74.dsl.hstntx.swbell.net Tue Oct 14 01:56:01 2003 Received: from dutlru2.lr.tudelft.nl (dutlru2.lr.tudelft.nl [130.161.164.58]) by dutlaso.lr.tudelft.nl (8.12.8/8.12.8) with ESMTP id h9DNu1xv010593 for ; Tue, 14 Oct 2003 01:56:01 +0200 Received: from dsl-64-217-116-74.dsl.hstntx.swbell.net (root@[64.217.116.74]) by dutlru2.lr.tudelft.nl (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id h9DNtxXK022960 for ; Tue, 14 Oct 2003 01:56:00 +0200 Received: from adsl-64-217-116-74.dsl.hstntx.swbell.net (adsl-64-217-116-73.dsl.hstntx.swbell.net [64.217.116.73]) by Mon, 13 Oct 2003 23:55:29 GMTdsl-64-217-116-74.dsl.hstntx.swbell.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id XAA11878 for ; Mon, 13 Oct 2003 23:55:29 GMT Message-ID: <3F8B3B6B.3070809@adsl-64-217-116-74.dsl.hstntx.swbell.net> Date: Mon, 13 Oct 2003 23:55:23 +0000 From: James Tabor User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; Linux i586; en-US; rv:1.2b) Gecko/20021016 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: ros-kernel@reactos.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: [ros-kernel] More Tests X-BeenThere: ros-kernel@reactos.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.2 Precedence: list Reply-To: ReactOS General List List-Id: ReactOS General List List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 13 Oct 2003 23:56:01 -0000 From running primitives.exe test program. Looks like something is wrong in gdiobj.c? [SCROLL_DrawInterior:1] [SCROLL_DrawInterior:1] [SCROLL_DrawInterior:1] [SCROLL_DrawInterior:1] [SCROLL_DrawInterior:1] [SCROLL_DrawInterior:1] [SCROLL_DrawInterior:1] [SCROLL_DrawInterior:1] [SCROLL_DrawInterior:1] 1. rect.top == 23 HSCROLL: 453 < 480 - 23 - 4 1. rect.top == 23 HSCROLL: 453 < 480 - 23 - 4 [SCROLL_DrawInterior:1] HSCROLL: 453 < 453 - 0 - 0 (objects/gdiobj.c:456) Invalid ObjectHandle 0x00000010 (KERNEL32:process/create.c:328) Process terminated abnormally due to unhandled exception (KERNEL32:process/create.c:329) Address: 401ce1 ExceptionRecord->ExceptionAddress = 0xde447e07 KeBugCheckWithTf at ke/catch.c:152 Bug detected (code 1e param 0 0 0 0) KMODE_EXCEPTION_NOT_HANDLED Page Fault Exception: 14(0) Processor: 0 CS:EIP 8:de447e07 cr2 54 cr3 c5bf000 Proc: c161fc98 Pid: 8 Thrd: c1628b10 Tid: 27 DS 10 ES 10 FS 30 GS 10 EAX: 00000000 EBX: 0000001c ECX: 0000001c EDX: 00000000 EBP: de8a6de8 ESI: 00620724 EDI: de8a6f84 EFLAGS: 00010282 kESP de8a6d54 kernel stack base de8a4000 ESP de8a6d54 Frames: ExceptionRecord->ExceptionAddress = 0xc00054a4 KeBugCheckWithTf at ke/catch.c:152 Bug detected (code 1e param 0 0 0 0) KMODE_EXCEPTION_NOT_HANDLED Recursive bug check halting now From Matthew.Hey@NBNZ.CO.NZ Tue Oct 14 02:37:00 2003 Received: from dutlru2.lr.tudelft.nl (dutlru2.lr.tudelft.nl [130.161.164.58]) by dutlaso.lr.tudelft.nl (8.12.8/8.12.8) with ESMTP id h9E0b0xv011200 for ; Tue, 14 Oct 2003 02:37:00 +0200 Received: from mta202-rme.xtra.co.nz (mta202-rme.xtra.co.nz [210.86.15.145]) by dutlru2.lr.tudelft.nl (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id h9E0awXK061862 for ; Tue, 14 Oct 2003 02:36:59 +0200 Received: from mta1-rme.xtra.co.nz ([210.86.15.142]) by mta202-rme.xtra.co.nz with ESMTP id <20031014003304.WYFL1350.mta202-rme.xtra.co.nz@mta1-rme.xtra.co.nz> for ; Tue, 14 Oct 2003 13:33:04 +1300 Received: from smtp1.nbnz.co.nz ([210.55.168.67]) by mta1-rme.xtra.co.nz with SMTP id <20031014003304.CEWU14286.mta1-rme.xtra.co.nz@smtp1.nbnz.co.nz> for: 33:04 +1300 Received: FROM psmmg01.nbnz.co.nz BY smtp1.nbnz.co.nz ; Tue Oct 14 13:27:38 2003 +1300 Received: from psmmg01.nbnz.co.nz (Not Verified[156.13.38.39]) by psmmg01.nbnz.co.nz with MailMarshal (v5, 0, 3, 91) id: 32:44 +1300 Received: by psmmg01.nbnz.co.nz with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2653.19) id: 32:44 +1300 Message-ID: <30BD5C113939D211B19800805FC196AC08750EB3@nbnzhexch1.nbnz.co.nz> From: Hey Matthew To: "'ReactOS General List'" Subject: RE: [ros-kernel] ROS on 486 Date: Tue, 14 Oct 2003 13:32:41 +1300 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2653.19) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" X-BeenThere: ros-kernel@reactos.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.2 Precedence: list Reply-To: ReactOS General List List-Id: ReactOS General List List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 14 Oct 2003 00:37:00 -0000 I thought we agreed that it was a minimum of a 486, since the 386 was slightly brain dead - missing opcodes such as CMPXCHG and invalidating the translation lookaside buffer etc. -----Original Message----- From: James Tabor [mailto:jimtabor@adsl-64-217-116-74.dsl.hstntx.swbell.net] Sent: Tuesday, 14 October 2003 12:53 p.m. To: ReactOS General List Subject: Re: [ros-kernel] ROS on 486 Michael B. Trausch wrote: > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- > Hash: SHA1 > > On Mon, 13 Oct 2003, James Tabor wrote: > > >>After that, the system appears to be dead. I can do nothing but press > >>Reset on the case, to reboot, there is nothing that I can switch to, and > >>it *appears* totally dead to me. > >> > >> > > > >Well, at least some where in wonder land I guess. > > > >I though ROS was bootable from an 386~!?, > >James > > > > > Well, I know that NT 4 ran on a 486. > > Do we want to target this, or should I scrap my tester machines? lol... > > - Mike > Hi, On this list years ago, we discussed and bragged about how Ros would boot on a 386. I though that was the mission for ros, so everyone could use it, even for embedded processor systems. Scrap? I just retired my P/MMX 200 system for an new A 2000+ one. Don't Know, James _______________________________________________ Ros-kernel mailing list Ros-kernel@reactos.com http://reactos.geldorp.nl:8080/mailman/listinfo/ros-kernel This communication is confidential and may contain privileged material. If you are not the intended recipient you must not use, disclose, copy or retain it. If you have received it in error please immediately notify me by return email and delete the emails. Thank you. From beta_guy@telus.net Tue Oct 14 04:04:07 2003 Received: from dutlru2.lr.tudelft.nl (dutlru2.lr.tudelft.nl [130.161.164.58]) by dutlaso.lr.tudelft.nl (8.12.8/8.12.8) with ESMTP id h9E247xv012237 for ; Tue, 14 Oct 2003 04:04:07 +0200 Received: from priv-edtnes40.telusplanet.net (outbound05.telus.net [199.185.220.224]) by dutlru2.lr.tudelft.nl (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id h9E245XK022934 for ; Tue, 14 Oct 2003 04:04:06 +0200 Received: from jeffb2591s1ij2 ([198.53.47.59]) by priv-edtnes40.telusplanet.net (InterMail vM.5.01.06.05 201-253-122-130-105-20030824) with SMTP id <20031014020014.BKXI8217.priv-edtnes40.telusplanet.net@jeffb2591s1ij2> for ; Mon, 13 Oct 2003 20:00:14 -0600 Message-ID: <001e01c391f7$1d634320$0400a8c0@jeffb2591s1ij2> From: "Jeff Smith" To: "ReactOS General List" References: <30BD5C113939D211B19800805FC196AC08750EB3@nbnzhexch1.nbnz.co.nz> Subject: Re: [ros-kernel] ROS on 486 Date: Mon, 13 Oct 2003 20:01:42 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.3790.0 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.3790.0 X-BeenThere: ros-kernel@reactos.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.2 Precedence: list Reply-To: ReactOS General List List-Id: ReactOS General List List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 14 Oct 2003 02:04:08 -0000 I don't believe that it will ever be possible to get ReactOS running on a 386, if we are aiming for ReactOS doing what XP can, the reason I'm saying this is Windows 95 at the start claimed to run on a 386, but several peolpe have thier HD's die on them because Windows wasn't suited for a 386, you can try it, but it may end up costing some one some money replacing a HD ----- Original Message ----- From: "Hey Matthew" To: "'ReactOS General List'" Sent: Monday, October 13, 2003 6:32 PM Subject: RE: [ros-kernel] ROS on 486 > I thought we agreed that it was a minimum of a 486, since > the 386 was slightly brain dead - missing opcodes such as > CMPXCHG and invalidating the translation lookaside buffer > etc. > > -----Original Message----- > From: James Tabor > [mailto:jimtabor@adsl-64-217-116-74.dsl.hstntx.swbell.net] > Sent: Tuesday, 14 October 2003 12:53 p.m. > To: ReactOS General List > Subject: Re: [ros-kernel] ROS on 486 > > > Michael B. Trausch wrote: > > > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- > > Hash: SHA1 > > > > On Mon, 13 Oct 2003, James Tabor wrote: > > > > >>After that, the system appears to be dead. I can do nothing but press > > >>Reset on the case, to reboot, there is nothing that I can switch to, and > > >>it *appears* totally dead to me. > > >> > > >> > > > > > >Well, at least some where in wonder land I guess. > > > > > >I though ROS was bootable from an 386~!?, > > >James > > > > > > > > > Well, I know that NT 4 ran on a 486. > > > > Do we want to target this, or should I scrap my tester machines? lol... > > > > - Mike > > > Hi, > On this list years ago, we discussed and bragged about how Ros would > boot on a 386. I though that was the mission for ros, so everyone could > use it, even for embedded processor systems. > > Scrap? I just retired my P/MMX 200 system for an new A 2000+ one. > Don't Know, > James > > > _______________________________________________ > Ros-kernel mailing list > Ros-kernel@reactos.com > http://reactos.geldorp.nl:8080/mailman/listinfo/ros-kernel > > This communication is confidential and may contain privileged material. > If you are not the intended recipient you must not use, disclose, copy or retain it. > If you have received it in error please immediately notify me by return email > and delete the emails. > Thank you. > _______________________________________________ > Ros-kernel mailing list > Ros-kernel@reactos.com > http://reactos.geldorp.nl:8080/mailman/listinfo/ros-kernel From Matthew.Hey@NBNZ.CO.NZ Tue Oct 14 05:26:58 2003 Received: from dutlru2.lr.tudelft.nl (dutlru2.lr.tudelft.nl [130.161.164.58]) by dutlaso.lr.tudelft.nl (8.12.8/8.12.8) with ESMTP id h9E3Qwxv012704 for ; Tue, 14 Oct 2003 05:26:58 +0200 Received: from standby2.xtra.co.nz (standby2-rme.xtra.co.nz [210.86.15.58]) by dutlru2.lr.tudelft.nl (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id h9E3QuXK061936 for ; Tue, 14 Oct 2003 05:26:57 +0200 Received: from web2-rme.xtra.co.nz ([210.86.15.141]) by standby2.xtra.co.nz with ESMTP id <20031014032303.FHK27904.standby2.xtra.co.nz@web2-rme.xtra.co.nz> for ; Tue, 14 Oct 2003 16:23:03 +1300 Received: from smtp1.nbnz.co.nz ([210.55.168.67]) by web2-rme.xtra.co.nz with SMTP id <20031014032302.VMZD17374.web2-rme.xtra.co.nz@smtp1.nbnz.co.nz> for ; Tue, 14 Oct 2003 16:23:02 +1300 Received: FROM psmmg01.nbnz.co.nz BY smtp1.nbnz.co.nz ; Tue Oct 14 16:17:37 2003 +1300 Received: from psmmg01.nbnz.co.nz (Not Verified[156.13.38.39]) by psmmg01.nbnz.co.nz with MailMarshal (v5, 0, 3, 91) id ; Tue, 14 Oct 2003 16:22:42 +1300 Received: by psmmg01.nbnz.co.nz with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2653.19) id ; Tue, 14 Oct 2003 16:22:42 +1300 Message-ID: <30BD5C113939D211B19800805FC196AC08750EB6@nbnzhexch1.nbnz.co.nz> From: Hey Matthew To: "'ReactOS General List'" Subject: RE: [ros-kernel] ROS on 486 Date: Tue, 14 Oct 2003 16:22:40 +1300 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2653.19) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" X-BeenThere: ros-kernel@reactos.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.2 Precedence: list Reply-To: ReactOS General List List-Id: ReactOS General List List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 14 Oct 2003 03:26:58 -0000 Its not the 'old' 386 PC boxes that people are interested in running Reactos on, its the brand new PC-104 form factor embedded PC's that have an all in one 386 CPU and PC chipset (just add RAM). -----Original Message----- From: Jeff Smith [mailto:beta_guy@telus.net] Sent: Tuesday, 14 October 2003 3:02 p.m. To: ReactOS General List Subject: Re: [ros-kernel] ROS on 486 I don't believe that it will ever be possible to get ReactOS running on a 386, if we are aiming for ReactOS doing what XP can, the reason I'm saying this is Windows 95 at the start claimed to run on a 386, but several peolpe have thier HD's die on them because Windows wasn't suited for a 386, you can try it, but it may end up costing some one some money replacing a HD ----- Original Message ----- From: "Hey Matthew" To: "'ReactOS General List'" Sent: Monday, October 13, 2003 6:32 PM Subject: RE: [ros-kernel] ROS on 486 > I thought we agreed that it was a minimum of a 486, since > the 386 was slightly brain dead - missing opcodes such as > CMPXCHG and invalidating the translation lookaside buffer > etc. > > -----Original Message----- > From: James Tabor > [mailto:jimtabor@adsl-64-217-116-74.dsl.hstntx.swbell.net] > Sent: Tuesday, 14 October 2003 12:53 p.m. > To: ReactOS General List > Subject: Re: [ros-kernel] ROS on 486 > > > Michael B. Trausch wrote: > > > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- > > Hash: SHA1 > > > > On Mon, 13 Oct 2003, James Tabor wrote: > > > > >>After that, the system appears to be dead. I can do nothing but press > > >>Reset on the case, to reboot, there is nothing that I can switch to, and > > >>it *appears* totally dead to me. > > >> > > >> > > > > > >Well, at least some where in wonder land I guess. > > > > > >I though ROS was bootable from an 386~!?, > > >James > > > > > > > > > Well, I know that NT 4 ran on a 486. > > > > Do we want to target this, or should I scrap my tester machines? lol... > > > > - Mike > > > Hi, > On this list years ago, we discussed and bragged about how Ros would > boot on a 386. I though that was the mission for ros, so everyone could > use it, even for embedded processor systems. > > Scrap? I just retired my P/MMX 200 system for an new A 2000+ one. > Don't Know, > James > > > _______________________________________________ > Ros-kernel mailing list > Ros-kernel@reactos.com > http://reactos.geldorp.nl:8080/mailman/listinfo/ros-kernel > > This communication is confidential and may contain privileged material. > If you are not the intended recipient you must not use, disclose, copy or retain it. > If you have received it in error please immediately notify me by return email > and delete the emails. > Thank you. > _______________________________________________ > Ros-kernel mailing list > Ros-kernel@reactos.com > http://reactos.geldorp.nl:8080/mailman/listinfo/ros-kernel _______________________________________________ Ros-kernel mailing list Ros-kernel@reactos.com http://reactos.geldorp.nl:8080/mailman/listinfo/ros-kernel This communication is confidential and may contain privileged material. If you are not the intended recipient you must not use, disclose, copy or retain it. If you have received it in error please immediately notify me by return email and delete the emails. Thank you. From jonwil@tpgi.com.au Tue Oct 14 05:45:19 2003 Received: from dutlru2.lr.tudelft.nl (dutlru2.lr.tudelft.nl [130.161.164.58]) by dutlaso.lr.tudelft.nl (8.12.8/8.12.8) with ESMTP id h9E3jIxv012856 for ; Tue, 14 Oct 2003 05:45:18 +0200 Received: from mail3.tpgi.com.au (mail.tpgi.com.au [203.12.160.59]) by dutlru2.lr.tudelft.nl (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id h9E3jGXK017720 for ; Tue, 14 Oct 2003 05:45:17 +0200 Received: from tpgi.com.au (203-219-187-63-per-pow-ts3-2600.tpgi.com.au [203.219.187.63]) by mail3.tpgi.com.au (8.11.6/8.11.6) with ESMTP id h9E3j2G25508 for ; Tue, 14 Oct 2003 13:45:02 +1000 Message-ID: <3F8B713D.9060605@tpgi.com.au> Date: Tue, 14 Oct 2003 11:45:01 +0800 From: Jonathan Wilson User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.1; en-US; rv:1.5) Gecko/20030925 X-Accept-Language: en-au MIME-Version: 1.0 To: ReactOS General List Subject: Re: [ros-kernel] ROS on 486 References: <30BD5C113939D211B19800805FC196AC08750EB6@nbnzhexch1.nbnz.co.nz> In-Reply-To: <30BD5C113939D211B19800805FC196AC08750EB6@nbnzhexch1.nbnz.co.nz> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-BeenThere: ros-kernel@reactos.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.2 Precedence: list Reply-To: ReactOS General List List-Id: ReactOS General List List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 14 Oct 2003 03:45:20 -0000 > Its not the 'old' 386 PC boxes that people are interested in > running Reactos on, its the brand new PC-104 form factor > embedded PC's that have an all in one 386 CPU and PC chipset > (just add RAM). Why would someone want to design an embedded chipset with a 386 in it in this day and age. Surely, one could put a 486 in there and get the benifits of its non-brokenness when it comes to flat 32bit protected mode... From tamlin@algonet.se Tue Oct 14 06:17:27 2003 Received: from dutlru2.lr.tudelft.nl (dutlru2.lr.tudelft.nl [130.161.164.58]) by dutlaso.lr.tudelft.nl (8.12.8/8.12.8) with ESMTP id h9E4HRxv013060 for ; Tue, 14 Oct 2003 06:17:27 +0200 Received: from smtp7.hy.skanova.net (smtp7.hy.skanova.net [195.67.199.140]) by dutlru2.lr.tudelft.nl (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id h9E4HRXK022710 for ; Tue, 14 Oct 2003 06:17:27 +0200 Received: from putte2k (h29n2fls31o987.telia.com [213.66.43.29]) by smtp7.hy.skanova.net (8.12.10/8.12.10) with SMTP id h9E4GBMN004931 for ; Tue, 14 Oct 2003 06:16:11 +0200 (CEST) Message-ID: <000501c3920a$0624f740$0401a8c0@putte2k> From: "Mike Nordell" To: "ros-kernel" Date: Tue, 14 Oct 2003 06:17:00 +0200 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="Windows-1252" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4927.1200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4927.1200 Subject: [ros-kernel] Makefile patch? X-BeenThere: ros-kernel@reactos.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.2 Precedence: list Reply-To: ReactOS General List List-Id: ReactOS General List List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 14 Oct 2003 04:17:27 -0000 Wouldn't the following make sense? If so, please commit. RCS file: /CVS/ReactOS/reactos/dk/nkm/Makefile,v @@ -59,1 +59,1 @@ -$(TARGET_FOLDER_LIB)/hal.a: $(PATH_TO_TOP)/ntoskrnl/hal/x86/hal.def +$(TARGET_FOLDER_LIB)/hal.a: $(PATH_TO_TOP)/hal/hal/hal.def @@ -63,2 +63,2 @@ - -d $(PATH_TO_TOP)/ntoskrnl/hal/x86/hal.def + -d $(PATH_TO_TOP)/hal/hal/hal.def From gerard.gatineau@laposte.net Tue Oct 14 07:38:49 2003 Received: from dutlru2.lr.tudelft.nl (dutlru2.lr.tudelft.nl [130.161.164.58]) by dutlaso.lr.tudelft.nl (8.12.8/8.12.8) with ESMTP id h9E5cnxv013481 for ; Tue, 14 Oct 2003 07:38:49 +0200 Received: from mx.laposte.net (mx.laposte.net [81.255.54.11]) by dutlru2.lr.tudelft.nl (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id h9E5cmXK113124 for ; Tue, 14 Oct 2003 07:38:48 +0200 Received: from laposte.net (172.182.189.77) by mx.laposte.net (6.0.053) (authenticated as gerard.gatineau@laposte.net) id 3F684A840065AD1E for ros-kernel@reactos.com; Tue, 14 Oct 2003 07:37:31 +0200 Message-ID: <3F8B8B86.2010308@laposte.net> Date: Tue, 14 Oct 2003 07:37:10 +0200 From: gge User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.1; en-US; rv:1.3) Gecko/20030312 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: ReactOS General List Subject: Re: [ros-kernel] Re: WINE porting templates for testing References: <20031012190324.2066.qmail@web21101.mail.yahoo.com> <3F8ACC9A.8090402@adsl-64-217-116-74.dsl.hstntx.swbell.net> <00f201c391a9$35293760$1a4cb13e@hornet> In-Reply-To: <00f201c391a9$35293760$1a4cb13e@hornet> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-BeenThere: ros-kernel@reactos.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.2 Precedence: list Reply-To: ReactOS General List List-Id: ReactOS General List List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 14 Oct 2003 05:38:49 -0000 Filip Navara wrote: >Well, you can use mine snapshot, until Steven will release something. It is >at www.volny.cz/xnavara/reactos/dlls/alldlls.zip. It contains shell32, (our) >winmm, (our) comctl32, ole32, oleaut32, shlwapi, rpcrt4, libwine, >libwine_unicode, (our) winedbgc. > >FiN > I downloaded these Wine dlls from the Filip site to "play" with Explorer , Taskmgr , Regedit , etc Do you recommend to report the bugs found ( Ros crash ,..) ? I would say that this will allow to debug existing API , although the use of such snapshot is a temporary solution Regards Gerard From gerard.gatineau@laposte.net Tue Oct 14 07:58:54 2003 Received: from dutlru2.lr.tudelft.nl (dutlru2.lr.tudelft.nl [130.161.164.58]) by dutlaso.lr.tudelft.nl (8.12.8/8.12.8) with ESMTP id h9E5wsxv013617 for ; Tue, 14 Oct 2003 07:58:54 +0200 Received: from mx.laposte.net (mx.laposte.net [81.255.54.11]) by dutlru2.lr.tudelft.nl (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id h9E5wsXK061880 for ; Tue, 14 Oct 2003 07:58:54 +0200 Received: from laposte.net (172.182.189.77) by mx.laposte.net (6.0.053) (authenticated as gerard.gatineau@laposte.net) id 3F83E7D9002E71EA for ros-kernel@reactos.com; Tue, 14 Oct 2003 07:57:08 +0200 Message-ID: <3F8B901E.1080404@laposte.net> Date: Tue, 14 Oct 2003 07:56:46 +0200 From: gge User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.1; en-US; rv:1.3) Gecko/20030312 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: ReactOS General List Subject: Re: [ros-kernel] ReactOS Roadmap References: <20031013192610.75758.qmail@web41505.mail.yahoo.com> In-Reply-To: <20031013192610.75758.qmail@web41505.mail.yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-BeenThere: ros-kernel@reactos.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.2 Precedence: list Reply-To: ReactOS General List List-Id: ReactOS General List List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 14 Oct 2003 05:58:54 -0000 Jason Filby wrote: >Hi all > >This is an important topic that needs dealing with - we need everyone >to >get involved on this topic. We need a roadmap because: >· it attracts more developers - I have personally witnessed a dev >saying >that they're hesitant to get involved because we have no roadmap >· funding - investors cannot be expected to give funding to the >Foundation if we can't tell them what our roadmap is >· we know where we're going and can work together more effectively > >After discussion with Vizzini we agreed that the best way to do this >is >set major milestones for the next 6, 12 and 18 months. Then, fill in >the >details on how to get there in between. > >Please suggest: >· major milestones (6, 12 and 18 months away) >· minor milestones (minimum granularity of a month) > >Thanks for your support in this matter! Lets get this discussion on >the roll :) > >Regards >Jason > > > Hi Jason, Please find my personal wishes for the Reactos Road Map , in order to have Reactos running in real hardware. May be some features will require too much efforts from the project to be accomplished. or are not matching the priorities of the project . 1) Minor milestones - Loading of my NIC card driver ( 3COM Eteherlink3 3C509B) and successful ping - Explorer working with Wine Dlls snapshot 2) Major milestones ( 6 months away) - Explorer , regedit , Taskmgr - TCP-IP - Plug&Play manager - Azerty keyboard (may be I can take care of it) 3) Major milestones ( 12 months away) - Mozilla navigator - Internet access - USB support - Ntfs support + Reactos Boot from Ntfs partition - Game support ( Unreal tournament for example) 3) Major milestones ( 18 months away) - Installer (hardware and software components ) - OpenOffice - Audio support + Winamp Best regards Gerard From johannes_olofsson@spray.se Tue Oct 14 08:06:44 2003 Received: from dutlru2.lr.tudelft.nl (dutlru2.lr.tudelft.nl [130.161.164.58]) by dutlaso.lr.tudelft.nl (8.12.8/8.12.8) with ESMTP id h9E66ixv013661 for ; Tue, 14 Oct 2003 08:06:44 +0200 Received: from lmsmtp03.st1.spray.net (lmsmtp03.st1.spray.net [212.78.202.113]) by dutlru2.lr.tudelft.nl (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id h9E66iXK022762 for ; Tue, 14 Oct 2003 08:06:44 +0200 Received: from martin (h246n1c1o1044.bredband.skanova.com [81.225.48.246]) by lmsmtp03.st1.spray.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 554A13CF50 for ; Tue, 14 Oct 2003 08:06:08 +0200 (MEST) Date: Tue, 14 Oct 2003 08:02:57 +0200 To: ReactOS General List Subject: Re: [ros-kernel] ReactOS Roadmap Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1; format=flowed References: <20031013192610.75758.qmail@web41505.mail.yahoo.com> From: Johannes Olofsson MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <20031013192610.75758.qmail@web41505.mail.yahoo.com> User-Agent: Opera7.11/Win32 M2 build 2880 X-BeenThere: ros-kernel@reactos.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.2 Precedence: list Reply-To: ReactOS General List List-Id: ReactOS General List List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 14 Oct 2003 06:06:44 -0000 Hi! It could be useful in this case to perform a simple WBS in order to find out the dependancies between the tasks (to find out in which order things have to be implemented). That makes it easier to do reasonable time estimations. BTW, one goal that could attract some developers an sponsors would be to be able to run ReactOS as a thin client. Regards Johannes Olofsson On Mon, 13 Oct 2003 12:26:10 -0700 (PDT), Jason Filby wrote: > Hi all > > This is an important topic that needs dealing with - we need everyone > to get involved on this topic. We need a roadmap because: > · it attracts more developers - I have personally witnessed a dev > saying that they're hesitant to get involved because we have no roadmap > · funding - investors cannot be expected to give funding to the > Foundation if we can't tell them what our roadmap is > · we know where we're going and can work together more effectively > ... ... > Regards > Jason From ge@gse.nl Tue Oct 14 09:20:40 2003 Received: from dutlru2.lr.tudelft.nl (dutlru2.lr.tudelft.nl [130.161.164.58]) by dutlaso.lr.tudelft.nl (8.12.8/8.12.8) with ESMTP id h9E7Kexv014047 for ; Tue, 14 Oct 2003 09:20:40 +0200 Received: from smtpzilla3.xs4all.nl (smtpzilla3.xs4all.nl [194.109.127.139]) by dutlru2.lr.tudelft.nl (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id h9E7KdXK039524 for ; Tue, 14 Oct 2003 09:20:39 +0200 Received: from gsep1 (geldorp.xs4all.nl [194.109.161.161]) by smtpzilla3.xs4all.nl (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h9E7K9Wi002450 for ; Tue, 14 Oct 2003 09:20:09 +0200 (CEST) From: "Ge van Geldorp" To: "'ReactOS General List'" Subject: RE: [ros-kernel] ROS on 486 Date: Tue, 14 Oct 2003 09:20:09 +0200 Message-ID: <001f01c39223$99a73a50$0a01a8c0@gse.local> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.2616 In-Reply-To: X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 Importance: Normal Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by dutlaso.lr.tudelft.nl id h9E7Kexv014047 X-BeenThere: ros-kernel@reactos.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.2 Precedence: list Reply-To: ReactOS General List List-Id: ReactOS General List List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 14 Oct 2003 07:20:40 -0000 > From: Michael B. Trausch > > SMSS fails to load. Here's as much of the screen as is > present, on the screen (started with screen debugging > enabled), with more info to follow: > > SMSS: Created paging file \??\C:\reactos\pagefile.sys with size 200KB > DriverBase for \SystemRoot\system32\win32k.sys: ddf07000 > DriverBase for \SystemRoot\system32\freetype.dll: de01b000 > Win32K: Failed to open mouse. I assume you use the 0.1.4 release? In that case, this last line is a clue to the cause: ReactOS can't find a mouse. This would in turn make win32k.sys fail to load. The current CVS code handles this situation gracefully (i.e. it will just continue to boot), so you should either attach a mouse or switch to CVS. Gé van Geldorp. From martin-fuchs@gmx.net Tue Oct 14 10:17:19 2003 Received: from dutlru2.lr.tudelft.nl (dutlru2.lr.tudelft.nl [130.161.164.58]) by dutlaso.lr.tudelft.nl (8.12.8/8.12.8) with ESMTP id h9E8HJxv014526 for ; Tue, 14 Oct 2003 10:17:19 +0200 Received: from mail.gmx.net (pop.gmx.de [213.165.64.20]) by dutlru2.lr.tudelft.nl (8.12.10/8.12.10) with SMTP id h9E8HJXK112794 for ; Tue, 14 Oct 2003 10:17:19 +0200 Message-Id: <200310140817.h9E8HJXK112794@dutlru2.lr.tudelft.nl> Received: (qmail 9560 invoked by uid 65534); 14 Oct 2003 08:16:13 -0000 Received: from p3E9E39B1.dip0.t-ipconnect.de (EHLO lisi) (62.158.57.177) by mail.gmx.net (mp016) with SMTP; 14 Oct 2003 10:16:13 +0200 X-Authenticated: #3470264 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Date: Tue, 14 Oct 2003 08:31:37 +0100 From: "Martin Fuchs" In-Reply-To: <20031013233712.39922.qmail@web21104.mail.yahoo.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 References: <20031013233712.39922.qmail@web21104.mail.yahoo.com> To: "ReactOS General List" , "Martin Fuchs" X-Mailer: Martin's Mailer Version 1.0 UTF8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by dutlaso.lr.tudelft.nl id h9E8HJxv014526 Cc: Subject: [ros-kernel] Re: SetShellWindow() and friends X-BeenThere: ros-kernel@reactos.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.2 Precedence: list Reply-To: ReactOS General List List-Id: ReactOS General List List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 14 Oct 2003 08:17:19 -0000 > Hello Martin, > Does SetShellWindows() and friends work under ReactOS? > > Thanks > Steven No, the implementation is currently not complete. There is not yet any attempt to fix the window z-order if a shell window is registered. At the moment it simply stores the window pointers, nothing more. I want to try to get it right on Wine first. I doubt, ReactOS is yet ready for such things. I never saw more than one popup window running on it. When trying to start to test program on ROS with "user32_test.exe win" I get only the following: Bug detected (code 1e param 0 0 0 0) KMODE_EXCEPTION_NOT_HANDLED Page Fault Exception: 14(2) Processor: 0 CS:EIP 8:c0009862 cr2 fffffed8 cr3 79c000 Proc: c11e3748 Pid: 9 Thrd: c11dc840 Tid: 29 DS 10 ES 10 FS 30 GS 10 EAX: fffffed8 EBX: ddb7df84 ECX: c11e3950 EDX: ddb7df84 EBP: ddb7deb0 ESI: 0000000e EDI: c11dc840 EFLAGS: 00010297 kESP ddb7dd44 kernel stack base ddb7b000 ESP ddb7dd44 Frames: Martin From fd0man@chadeux.homelinux.net Tue Oct 14 11:59:59 2003 Received: from dutlru2.lr.tudelft.nl (dutlru2.lr.tudelft.nl [130.161.164.58]) by dutlaso.lr.tudelft.nl (8.12.8/8.12.8) with ESMTP id h9E9xxxv015351 for ; Tue, 14 Oct 2003 11:59:59 +0200 Received: from chadeux.homelinux.net (cblmdm204-118-177-204.buckeye-express.com [204.118.177.204]) by dutlru2.lr.tudelft.nl (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id h9E9xvXK021546 for ; Tue, 14 Oct 2003 11:59:58 +0200 Received: from chadeux.homelinux.net (IDENT:1000@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by chadeux.homelinux.net (8.12.8/8.12.8) with ESMTP id h9E9tpng014711 for ; Tue, 14 Oct 2003 05:55:51 -0400 Received: from localhost (fd0man@localhost) by chadeux.homelinux.net (8.12.8/8.12.8/Submit) with ESMTP id h9E9tolW014708 for ; Tue, 14 Oct 2003 05:55:51 -0400 Date: Tue, 14 Oct 2003 05:55:48 -0400 (EDT) From: "Michael B. Trausch" To: ReactOS General List Subject: RE: [ros-kernel] ROS on 486 In-Reply-To: <001f01c39223$99a73a50$0a01a8c0@gse.local> Message-ID: References: <001f01c39223$99a73a50$0a01a8c0@gse.local> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII X-BeenThere: ros-kernel@reactos.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.2 Precedence: list Reply-To: ReactOS General List List-Id: ReactOS General List List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 14 Oct 2003 09:59:59 -0000 -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 On Tue, 14 Oct 2003, Ge van Geldorp wrote: > > From: Michael B. Trausch > > I assume you use the 0.1.4 release? In that case, this last line is a > clue to the cause: ReactOS can't find a mouse. This would in turn make > win32k.sys fail to load. > > The current CVS code handles this situation gracefully (i.e. it will > just continue to boot), so you should either attach a mouse or switch to > CVS. > Mouse is attached. Generic serial mouse on COM1. :^) Works in DOS and Win95. So then the question is, why is it *not* finding the mouse, and croaking? - Mike Michael B. Trausch AIM: MBTrausch 720 Orchard St. E-mail: fd0man@chadeux.homelinux.net Toledo, OH 43609 Second E-Mail: fd0man@yahoo.com (419) 514-5047 Web: http://chadeux.homelinux.net - ----------------------------------------------------------------- People will forget what you said and what you did, but they will never forget how you made them feel. - ----------------------------------------------------------------- NOTICE: fd0man@yahoo.com's key is REVOKED. Please do not use it Revokation Certificate is in the zip file @ the website below. - ----------------------------------------------------------------- If you'd like to send me secure mail, please obtain my gpg public key from my website, listed below, or if you have a Unix system: finger fd0man@chadeux.homelinux.net |less http://chadeux.homelinux.net/users/fd0man/ -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.2.1 (GNU/Linux) iD8DBQE/i8gl85RqKeHavSsRAtmVAJ9hSjYtxwTppa11IF4iw0w9569d/QCZAfYE +m+w9VX6MLPhAI7u2ush+aw= =3ThR -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- From ge@gse.nl Tue Oct 14 12:21:53 2003 Received: from dutlru2.lr.tudelft.nl (dutlru2.lr.tudelft.nl [130.161.164.58]) by dutlaso.lr.tudelft.nl (8.12.8/8.12.8) with ESMTP id h9EALrxv015466 for ; Tue, 14 Oct 2003 12:21:53 +0200 Received: from smtpzilla2.xs4all.nl (smtpzilla2.xs4all.nl [194.109.127.138]) by dutlru2.lr.tudelft.nl (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id h9EALqXK066048 for ; Tue, 14 Oct 2003 12:21:53 +0200 Received: from gsep1 (geldorp.xs4all.nl [194.109.161.161]) by smtpzilla2.xs4all.nl (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h9EALMNx025542 for ; Tue, 14 Oct 2003 12:21:22 +0200 (CEST) From: "Ge van Geldorp" To: "'ReactOS General List'" Subject: RE: [ros-kernel] ROS on 486 Date: Tue, 14 Oct 2003 12:21:22 +0200 Message-ID: <002601c3923c$ea84f160$0a01a8c0@gse.local> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.2616 In-Reply-To: X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 Importance: Normal Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by dutlaso.lr.tudelft.nl id h9EALrxv015466 X-BeenThere: ros-kernel@reactos.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.2 Precedence: list Reply-To: ReactOS General List List-Id: ReactOS General List List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 14 Oct 2003 10:21:53 -0000 > From: Michael B. Trausch > > Mouse is attached. Generic serial mouse on COM1. :^) Works > in DOS and Win95. > > So then the question is, why is it *not* finding the mouse, > and croaking? The serial mouse driver is not loaded by default. To trick ReactOS into loading it, rename /reactos/system32/drivers/psaux.sys to /reactos/system32/drivers/psaux.sys.real and copy /reactos/system32/drivers/sermouse.sys to /reactos/system32/drivers/psaux.sys Gé van Geldorp. From ge@gse.nl Tue Oct 14 14:19:05 2003 Received: from dutlru2.lr.tudelft.nl (dutlru2.lr.tudelft.nl [130.161.164.58]) by dutlaso.lr.tudelft.nl (8.12.8/8.12.8) with ESMTP id h9ECJ5xv016417 for ; Tue, 14 Oct 2003 14:19:05 +0200 Received: from smtpzilla1.xs4all.nl (smtpzilla1.xs4all.nl [194.109.127.137]) by dutlru2.lr.tudelft.nl (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id h9ECJ4XK016108 for ; Tue, 14 Oct 2003 14:19:04 +0200 Received: from gsep1 (geldorp.xs4all.nl [194.109.161.161]) by smtpzilla1.xs4all.nl (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h9ECIYh6083030 for ; Tue, 14 Oct 2003 14:18:34 +0200 (CEST) From: "Ge van Geldorp" To: "'ReactOS General List'" Subject: RE: [ros-kernel] More Tests Date: Tue, 14 Oct 2003 14:18:34 +0200 Message-ID: <003201c3924d$49ecab10$0a01a8c0@gse.local> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.2616 In-Reply-To: <3F8B3B6B.3070809@adsl-64-217-116-74.dsl.hstntx.swbell.net> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 Importance: Normal Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by dutlaso.lr.tudelft.nl id h9ECJ5xv016417 X-BeenThere: ros-kernel@reactos.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.2 Precedence: list Reply-To: ReactOS General List List-Id: ReactOS General List List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 14 Oct 2003 12:19:05 -0000 Could you enter this into Bugzilla (http://www.reactos.com/bugzilla)? Thanks, Gé van Geldorp. > -----Original Message----- > From: ros-kernel-bounces@reactos.com > [mailto:ros-kernel-bounces@reactos.com] On Behalf Of James Tabor > Sent: Tuesday, October 14, 2003 01:55 > To: ros-kernel@reactos.com > Subject: [ros-kernel] More Tests > > > From running primitives.exe test program. > Looks like something is wrong in gdiobj.c? > > > [SCROLL_DrawInterior:1] > [SCROLL_DrawInterior:1] > [SCROLL_DrawInterior:1] > [SCROLL_DrawInterior:1] > [SCROLL_DrawInterior:1] > [SCROLL_DrawInterior:1] > [SCROLL_DrawInterior:1] > [SCROLL_DrawInterior:1] > [SCROLL_DrawInterior:1] > 1. rect.top == 23 > HSCROLL: 453 < 480 - 23 - 4 > 1. rect.top == 23 > HSCROLL: 453 < 480 - 23 - 4 > [SCROLL_DrawInterior:1] > HSCROLL: 453 < 453 - 0 - 0 > (objects/gdiobj.c:456) Invalid ObjectHandle 0x00000010 > (KERNEL32:process/create.c:328) Process terminated abnormally > due to unhandled exception > (KERNEL32:process/create.c:329) Address: 401ce1 > ExceptionRecord->ExceptionAddress = 0xde447e07 > KeBugCheckWithTf at ke/catch.c:152 > Bug detected (code 1e param 0 0 0 0) > KMODE_EXCEPTION_NOT_HANDLED > > Page Fault Exception: 14(0) > Processor: 0 CS:EIP 8:de447e07 > cr2 54 cr3 c5bf000 Proc: c161fc98 Pid: 8 Thrd: c1628b10 > Tid: 27 DS 10 ES 10 FS 30 GS 10 > EAX: 00000000 EBX: 0000001c ECX: 0000001c > EDX: 00000000 EBP: de8a6de8 ESI: 00620724 > EDI: de8a6f84 EFLAGS: 00010282 kESP de8a6d54 kernel stack > base de8a4000 > ESP de8a6d54 > Frames: > oskrnl.exe: 574a1> 56910> a45> > ExceptionRecord->ExceptionAddress = 0xc00054a4 > KeBugCheckWithTf at ke/catch.c:152 > Bug detected (code 1e param 0 0 0 0) > KMODE_EXCEPTION_NOT_HANDLED > > Recursive bug check halting now > > > _______________________________________________ > Ros-kernel mailing list > Ros-kernel@reactos.com > http://reactos.geldorp.nl:8080/mailman/listinf> o/ros-kernel > From dome@koganet.ne.jp Tue Oct 14 17:46:23 2003 Received: from dutlru2.lr.tudelft.nl (dutlru2.lr.tudelft.nl [130.161.164.58]) by dutlaso.lr.tudelft.nl (8.12.8/8.12.8) with ESMTP id h9EFkMxv018282 for ; Tue, 14 Oct 2003 17:46:23 +0200 Received: from mail.koganet.ne.jp (titan2.koganet.ne.jp [61.114.14.11]) by dutlru2.lr.tudelft.nl (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id h9EFkKXK094040 for ; Tue, 14 Oct 2003 17:46:21 +0200 Received: from local (208.69.113.221.ap.yournet.ne.jp [221.113.69.208]) by mail.koganet.ne.jp (8.10.2/8.10.2) with SMTP id h9EFiZf20581 for ; Wed, 15 Oct 2003 00:44:36 +0900 Received: from local (208.69.113.221.ap.yournet.ne.jp [221.113.69.208]) by mail.koganet.ne.jp (8.10.2/8.10.2) with SMTP id h9EFiZf20581 for ; Wed, 15 Oct 2003 00:44:36 +0900 X-RAV-AntiVirus: This e-mail has been scanned for viruses on host: mail.koganet.ne.jp Message-ID: <02bb01c39269$e42ece80$0200a8c0@local> From: "d_layer" To: Date: Wed, 15 Oct 2003 00:43:17 +0900 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_02B4_01C392B5.5323D920" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Subject: [ros-kernel] [PATCH] eliminate unnecessary recompilation X-BeenThere: ros-kernel@reactos.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.2 Precedence: list Reply-To: ReactOS General List List-Id: ReactOS General List List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 14 Oct 2003 15:46:23 -0000 This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_02B4_01C392B5.5323D920 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-2022-jp" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hello, I found two problems that causes unnecessary recompilation of files in our build system. 1) Make can't detect right dependencies for host native zlib because makefile is wrong. 2) buildno program updates version.h even if build number is not changed (windows only). Attached patch should fix these. Please review and commit. -- d_layer ------=_NextPart_000_02B4_01C392B5.5323D920 Content-Type: application/octet-stream; name="build-system.patch" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: attachment; filename="build-system.patch" Index: lib/zlib/Makefile.host =================================================================== RCS file: /CVS/ReactOS/reactos/lib/zlib/Makefile.host,v retrieving revision 1.1 diff -u -r1.1 Makefile.host --- lib/zlib/Makefile.host 24 Aug 2003 10:36:06 -0000 1.1 +++ lib/zlib/Makefile.host 14 Oct 2003 12:54:25 -0000 @@ -23,16 +23,18 @@ infutil.o \ inffast.o +OBJECTS := $(OBJECTS:%=hostobjs/%) + all: hostobjs $(TARGET) hostobjs: - $(RMKDIR) hostobjs -%.o: %.c - $(HOST_CC) $(CFLAGS) -c $< -o hostobjs/$@ +hostobjs/%.o: %.c + $(HOST_CC) $(CFLAGS) -c $< -o $@ $(TARGET): $(OBJECTS) - $(HOST_AR) -r $(TARGET) $(addprefix hostobjs/, $(OBJECTS)) + $(HOST_AR) -r $(TARGET) $^ clean: - $(RM) hostobjs/* Index: tools/buildno.c =================================================================== RCS file: /CVS/ReactOS/reactos/tools/buildno.c,v retrieving revision 1.1 diff -u -r1.1 buildno.c --- tools/buildno.c 23 Aug 2001 21:41:35 -0000 1.1 +++ tools/buildno.c 14 Oct 2003 12:54:27 -0000 @@ -117,7 +117,7 @@ KERNEL_VERSION_PATCH_LEVEL); s = s + sprintf (s, "#endif\n/* EOF */\n"); - h = fopen (BUILDNO_INCLUDE_FILE, "r"); + h = fopen (BUILDNO_INCLUDE_FILE, "rb"); if (h != NULL) { fseek(h, 0, SEEK_END); @@ -138,7 +138,7 @@ fclose(h); } - h = fopen (BUILDNO_INCLUDE_FILE, "w"); + h = fopen (BUILDNO_INCLUDE_FILE, "wb"); if (!h) { fprintf (stderr, ------=_NextPart_000_02B4_01C392B5.5323D920-- From jasonfilby@yahoo.com Tue Oct 14 20:28:29 2003 Received: from dutlru2.lr.tudelft.nl (dutlru2.lr.tudelft.nl [130.161.164.58]) by dutlaso.lr.tudelft.nl (8.12.8/8.12.8) with ESMTP id h9EISSxv019677 for ; Tue, 14 Oct 2003 20:28:28 +0200 Received: from web41501.mail.yahoo.com (web41501.mail.yahoo.com [66.218.93.84]) by dutlru2.lr.tudelft.nl (8.12.10/8.12.10) with SMTP id h9EISRXK092474 for ; Tue, 14 Oct 2003 20:28:28 +0200 Message-ID: <20031014182820.18831.qmail@web41501.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [155.239.192.156] by web41501.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Tue, 14 Oct 2003 11:28:20 PDT Date: Tue, 14 Oct 2003 11:28:20 -0700 (PDT) From: Jason Filby Subject: RE: [ros-kernel] ReactOS requirements To: ReactOS General List In-Reply-To: <001301c391d4$f4270cc0$0a01a8c0@gse.local> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-BeenThere: ros-kernel@reactos.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.2 Precedence: list Reply-To: ReactOS General List List-Id: ReactOS General List List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 14 Oct 2003 18:28:29 -0000 Eek! Fixed. --- Ge van Geldorp wrote: > > From: Jason Filby > > > > its now available in the Library under the Installation Guide: > > http://reactos.com/index.php/content/view/full/325 > > > > Cheers > > Jason > > > >From: Jason Filby > > >Can someone please list the minimum requirements for ReactOS? > > >I know 32 MB RAM is one of them. I'll put them on reactos.com > > Ehhmmm, you forgot the 32Mb RAM.... > > _______________________________________________ > Ros-kernel mailing list > Ros-kernel@reactos.com > http://reactos.geldorp.nl:8080/mailman/listinfo/ros-kernel __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? The New Yahoo! Shopping - with improved product search http://shopping.yahoo.com From jasonfilby@yahoo.com Tue Oct 14 20:38:06 2003 Received: from dutlru2.lr.tudelft.nl (dutlru2.lr.tudelft.nl [130.161.164.58]) by dutlaso.lr.tudelft.nl (8.12.8/8.12.8) with ESMTP id h9EIc6xv019774 for ; Tue, 14 Oct 2003 20:38:06 +0200 Received: from web41503.mail.yahoo.com (web41503.mail.yahoo.com [66.218.93.86]) by dutlru2.lr.tudelft.nl (8.12.10/8.12.10) with SMTP id h9EIc4XK062032 for ; Tue, 14 Oct 2003 20:38:05 +0200 Message-ID: <20031014183754.49691.qmail@web41503.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [155.239.192.156] by web41503.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Tue, 14 Oct 2003 11:37:54 PDT Date: Tue, 14 Oct 2003 11:37:54 -0700 (PDT) From: Jason Filby Subject: Re: [ros-kernel] ReactOS Roadmap To: ReactOS General List In-Reply-To: <002e01c391d6$83fc8860$1a6f17ac@MAIN> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-BeenThere: ros-kernel@reactos.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.2 Precedence: list Reply-To: ReactOS General List List-Id: ReactOS General List List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 14 Oct 2003 18:38:06 -0000 Hi Valentin Thanks for the input; could you give vague dates where you'd like to see each milestone achieved? Thanks Jason --- Valentin wrote: > Among other major milestones in ROS roadmap, > I'd like to suggest the following: > 1. To build the base for ROS Preinstallation Edition > This is a complete Win32 environment with GUI & Network support > running > from CD. > It can be used in future for recovery & other goals as rescue > platform > (e.g when > a host non-booting system can be restored with ROS PE ) > There are companies making recovery tools and looking for this > OS: > e.g Winternals, image LAN , etc. MS Win PE has very > expensive license > that accessible only for big OEM customers. > I am ready personally to take part in this undertaking , > after NTFS > will be comleted :-) > > 2. To enable OS adjustment for various goals: > - Workstation or Server key building possibility. > - Creation Real-Time possibility by means IRQL engine tuning > in the > time of compiling. > In W2k user-level applications execute only when a > processor's IRQL > is at passive, > therefor it isn't suitable as a real-time OS. We can try to > adjust > ROS to enable, that > special case in a live system won't cause the system to > miss an > important deadline. > -Open source OS is more attractive for enterpises as long as > it allow > to get customizable > parameters (e.g to change the max. count of open sockets in > host) > - We can exploit most weak features of Microsoft Windows to > draw > attention from > potential investors. > > Regards, > Valentin. > > > > > > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Jason Filby" > To: > Sent: Monday, October 13, 2003 9:26 PM > Subject: [ros-kernel] ReactOS Roadmap > > > > Hi all > > > > This is an important topic that needs dealing with - we need > everyone > > to > > get involved on this topic. We need a roadmap because: > > · it attracts more developers - I have personally witnessed a dev > > saying > > that they're hesitant to get involved because we have no roadmap > > · funding - investors cannot be expected to give funding to the > > Foundation if we can't tell them what our roadmap is > > · we know where we're going and can work together more > effectively > > > > After discussion with Vizzini we agreed that the best way to do > this > > is > > set major milestones for the next 6, 12 and 18 months. Then, fill > in > > the > > details on how to get there in between. > > > > Please suggest: > > · major milestones (6, 12 and 18 months away) > > · minor milestones (minimum granularity of a month) > > > > Thanks for your support in this matter! Lets get this discussion > on > > the > > roll :) > > > > Regards > > Jason > > > > > > > > __________________________________ > > Do you Yahoo!? > > The New Yahoo! 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