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Possibilities For NTVDM and other Sub-Systems

Postby MugenFighter » Fri Feb 17, 2017 5:14 pm

What are the possibilities for improvements for/additions to NTVDM and other Sub-Systems for the ReactOS project. I ask because I'm curious in ReactOS's future capabilities.
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Re: Possibilities For NTVDM and other Sub-Systems

Postby erkinalp » Fri Feb 17, 2017 5:44 pm

ENIW: GNU/Linux binary format interpreter and related subsystems for ReactOS
ENIW Now in Windows
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Re: Possibilities For NTVDM and other Sub-Systems

Postby MugenFighter » Fri Feb 17, 2017 6:00 pm

erkinalp wrote:ENIW: GNU/Linux binary format interpreter and related subsystems for ReactOS
ENIW Now in Windows

So, improved Web connective capabilities?
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Re: Possibilities For NTVDM and other Sub-Systems

Postby middings » Sun Feb 19, 2017 2:36 am

ENIW = ENIW Nicely Inverts Wine :lol:

Seriously, the Windows Subsystem for Linux (WSL) is a bit like WINE (Windows subsystem on Linux) but going the other way (Linux subsystem on Windows). So the ReactOS equivalent would have to be named ENIW.
Here is Microsoft's WSL FAQ.

(Edits: changed acronym to remove mention of Windows, added comment about WSL)
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Re: Possibilities For NTVDM and other Sub-Systems

Postby erkinalp » Sun Feb 19, 2017 12:42 pm

MugenFighter wrote:So, improved Web connective capabilities?

ReactOS equivalent of WSL.
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Re: Possibilities For NTVDM and other Sub-Systems

Postby MugenFighter » Sun Feb 19, 2017 10:06 pm

erkinalp wrote:
MugenFighter wrote:So, improved Web connective capabilities?

ReactOS equivalent of WSL.

Sorry, I just googled it.
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Re: Possibilities For NTVDM and other Sub-Systems

Postby MugenFighter » Thu Feb 23, 2017 6:09 pm

erkinalp wrote:ENIW: GNU/Linux binary format interpreter and related subsystems for ReactOS
ENIW Now in Windows

What about a Win16 subsystem? Or would that just be part of the NTVDM subsystem?

Edit: If ENIW gets finished, would it work with Windows XP?
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Re: Possibilities For NTVDM and other Sub-Systems

Postby erkinalp » Thu Feb 23, 2017 10:53 pm

It may or may not. Will not if it would rely on a ReactOS specific extension.
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Re: Possibilities For NTVDM and other Sub-Systems

Postby sdever » Fri Mar 03, 2017 10:55 pm

@MugenFighter: yes, WOW16 is related to NTVDM (with a bunch of wowexec.exe/wow32.dll stuff under Windows), but seems nobody is working on it yet (however if someone if willing to implement it, we accept patches :D)
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Re: Possibilities For NTVDM and other Sub-Systems

Postby MugenFighter » Sat Mar 04, 2017 4:49 pm

sdever wrote:@MugenFighter: yes, WOW16 is related to NTVDM (with a bunch of wowexec.exe/wow32.dll stuff under Windows), but seems nobody is working on it yet (however if someone if willing to implement it, we accept patches :D)

I can't implement it, but if anyone is willing to, here is some info on a Win16 emulator for Win64 some guy is working on:
https://hackernoon.com/win3mu-part-1-why-im-writing-a-16-bit-windows-emulator-2eae946c935d#.co7if8ch7

It might be useful info.
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Re: Possibilities For NTVDM and other Sub-Systems

Postby milon » Mon Mar 20, 2017 11:15 pm

That's a great find, but it looks like he disappeared 5 or 6 months ago. :(
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Re: Possibilities For NTVDM and other Sub-Systems

Postby erkinalp » Thu Apr 27, 2017 8:03 am

Idea for ENIW's architecture:
https://drive.google.com/open?id=0BzXRZO3a-32ubmpvczNPZ3p6Y3M
ENIW can directly use Linux instead of reverse engineering them because both ReactOS and Linux are under GPLv2. This will be a competitive advantage until Microsoft open sources Windows under GPLv2. Waiting for comments.
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Re: Possibilities For NTVDM and other Sub-Systems

Postby Adcock » Sun Apr 30, 2017 9:01 pm

erkinalp wrote:ENIW: GNU/Linux binary format interpreter and related subsystems for ReactOS
ENIW Now in Windows


ReactOS developers says the same sometimes .
But if Linux binary run on ReactOS then what would be the difference between Linux and Windows . ( ReactOS = Windows , at least to me )
Besides things that runs on Linux can run on Windows . ( Through porting )
Also if you are going to use ReactOS in future then why won't you want to use ReactOS native software ?
My actual Question is :
    1. What is special in Linux binary that ReactOS should have a subsystem for them ? [ This task should be very tough to implement ]
    2. Why would you not run Linux binary on Linux ?
    3. Windows has more programs than Linux ( Almost every thing that Linux has plus more ) . So , if you are going to use Linux software then why want to use ReactOS ?

[Edit]

Also ReactOS is an Open Source alternative to "Microsoft Windows" .
It is not Windows + Linux or Windows + *nix .
Why not just run Linux on Linux ?

( I am feeling curious . That is why I am asking so many questions . )
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Re: Possibilities For NTVDM and other Sub-Systems

Postby peter007 » Mon May 01, 2017 10:29 am

Nothing impossible but sometimes require high skills!
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Re: Possibilities For NTVDM and other Sub-Systems

Postby PurpleGurl » Mon May 01, 2017 9:49 pm

Another approach is an idea from a decade ago. The idea was to rework the kernel to be different from Windows NT. Such things included removing CSRSS, converting consoles to drivers, getting away from LPC, etc. As long as driver and full application compatibility are maintained, then there would be no harm -- except for taking the time to develop this and iron out the bugs. The goal would not be so much to try to recreate Linux, though if the kernel is simple enough, it might be able to support both Windows and Linux code. It seems like ALL OSs could be subsystems then.

And if I sound like I don't know what I'm talking about, well, I don't understand the kernel internals of either ROS or Linux.
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