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I don't know what to put for a title

Post by mrmajik45 » Mon Apr 16, 2018 3:06 am

icons of killed and finished process are now automatically removed, even when apps crash. This is something that Windows doesn't even provide with Win10, and many Windows users may have noticed.
Watch as microsoft comes to ReactOS's door asking how they did it.
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Post by cb88 » Mon Apr 16, 2018 4:45 am

I know! Some commercial software I use (for HMIs) creates a bunch of tray icons, and every time you restart it's runtime during development it dumps a bunch more icon's in there... I've seen upwards of 50 icons in my tray from dead apps before!

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Re: I don't know what to put for a title

Post by learn_more » Tue Apr 17, 2018 8:07 pm

cb88 wrote:I know! Some commercial software I use (for HMIs) creates a bunch of tray icons, and every time you restart it's runtime during development it dumps a bunch more icon's in there... I've seen upwards of 50 icons in my tray from dead apps before!
that is some shitty written software then :)

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Re: I don't know what to put for a title

Post by cb88 » Sat Apr 21, 2018 7:09 am

learn_more wrote:
cb88 wrote:I know! Some commercial software I use (for HMIs) creates a bunch of tray icons, and every time you restart it's runtime during development it dumps a bunch more icon's in there... I've seen upwards of 50 icons in my tray from dead apps before!
that is some shitty written software then :)
Not sure why you would jump to that conclusion... basically there is an HMI runtime service, OPC service, SQL bridge service etc... these get tray icons instead of windows during development I start and stop the entire runtime pretty often sometimes, which causes those programs to close and the tray icon to be zombie. The fact that they get zombified is apparently a windows bug, I've ran into it when creating a tray icon from C# myself.

I think perhaps you could programmatically remove the icon when closing your application, though I haven't tested that yet, but the fact that windows requires this instead of just cleaning up itself is pretty silly...

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Post by learn_more » Sat Apr 21, 2018 5:20 pm

cb88 wrote:
learn_more wrote:
cb88 wrote:I know! Some commercial software I use (for HMIs) creates a bunch of tray icons, and every time you restart it's runtime during development it dumps a bunch more icon's in there... I've seen upwards of 50 icons in my tray from dead apps before!
that is some shitty written software then :)
Not sure why you would jump to that conclusion... basically there is an HMI runtime service, OPC service, SQL bridge service etc... these get tray icons instead of windows during development I start and stop the entire runtime pretty often sometimes, which causes those programs to close and the tray icon to be zombie. The fact that they get zombified is apparently a windows bug, I've ran into it when creating a tray icon from C# myself.

I think perhaps you could programmatically remove the icon when closing your application, though I haven't tested that yet, but the fact that windows requires this instead of just cleaning up itself is pretty silly...
it is not a windows bug, it is an application failing to clean up.
The fact that windows does not clean up after an application failing to cleanup, could be argued for to be a windows bug.

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Post by erkinalp » Tue Apr 24, 2018 11:56 am

learn_more wrote:Watch as microsoft comes to ReactOS's door asking how they did it.
To ask properly, they need to open source Windows 10 under GPL2 and provide us a way to contribute publicly. We will fix it for them then.
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Post by ROCKNROLLKID » Wed Apr 25, 2018 9:01 am

erkinalp wrote:Windows 10 under GPL2
MIT > GPL

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Post by erkinalp » Wed Apr 25, 2018 9:03 am

GPL2 is preferred here as we will be able to contribute to Windows and Microsoft will be able to contribute to ReactOS. Win-win. With MIT, we can take but not give.
If they open source under GPL3, we should ask our contributors for relicensing. I think we will succeed in relicensing, see how Wikipedia and OpenStreetMap did relicensing for successful relicensing moves. Win-win with a few months of delay.
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Post by ROCKNROLLKID » Wed Apr 25, 2018 8:36 pm

erkinalp wrote:GPL2 is preferred here as we will be able to contribute to Windows and Microsoft will be able to contribute to ReactOS. Win-win. With MIT, we can take but not give.
GPL doesn't require anyone to give back, either. It only requires to state changes and license under same license. In this case, if you want to contribute back, that would be your choice.

Anyways, MS wouldn't use GPL anyways because it is not commercial friendly. If anything, they would probably use the MSPL or make a custom license specifically for Windows.

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Post by mrmajik45 » Thu Apr 26, 2018 7:35 pm

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Post by EmuandCo » Thu Apr 26, 2018 9:57 pm

We use many licenses and even public domain code, Many ppl won't allow their 2-clause-BSD licensed code or even PD code to be put under a way too restritive license like GPLv3. But we will not start a licensing war here now, else I stop it immediately.
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Re: I don't know what to put for a title

Post by erkinalp » Thu Apr 26, 2018 10:36 pm

I did not intend to start a flamewar but just wanted to present possible paths after open sourcing of Windows 10. Full co-operation between Microsoft and ReactOS or principled separation (anything from open sourced Windows would be rejected). Anything between would not be able to enforced strictly enough. Full co-operation requires copyleft to protect (acquis) rights of both sides. Principled separation does not. That is why I oppose inclusion of open sourced Windows components into ReactOS without open sourcing of whole Windows under GPL.
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