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A Request for Turkish Translation
Posted: Sat Jan 04, 2014 4:39 pm
by eersoy93
Hi friends! I have a request.
I translating to Turkish with pure Turkish. Pure Turkish isn't equal actual Turkish. I haven't been discuss with Arda Tanrıkulu (ardatan) yesterday night and we arrive at a decision. The decision is separate the Turkish (Turkey) language code to pure Turkish (Turkey) language code and actual Turkish (Turkey) language code. In my opinion, the codes are those should be tr-TR-pure and tr-TR-actual. And in my opinion again, the sublang rules for these should be SUBLANG_TURKISH_PURE and SUBLANG_TURKISH_ACTUAL.
Thanks for replies already now. Happy new years.
Re: A Request for Turkish Translation
Posted: Sat Jan 04, 2014 4:49 pm
by milon
For those of us who know nothing about Turkish, can you explain the difference between "actual" and "pure" Turkish? I ask because I'm sure Z98 etc will be interested in the answer (unless they are already aware of the difference).
Re: A Request for Turkish Translation
Posted: Sun Jan 05, 2014 2:07 am
by Webunny
Also:
Please explain how not to break the main English page when creating translations.
lol.
Re: A Request for Turkish Translation
Posted: Sun Jan 05, 2014 2:49 am
by Z98
Note that you still haven't set your translations to review state for me to actually approve them.
With regard to Turkish, there'd have to actually be existing language codes separating the two. If MS and other groups don't make a distinction, we're not about to go it alone.
Re: A Request for Turkish Translation
Posted: Sun Jan 05, 2014 3:40 pm
by Webunny
Z98 wrote:Note that you still haven't set your translations to review state for me to actually approve them.
With regard to Turkish, there'd have to actually be existing language codes separating the two. If MS and other groups don't make a distinction, we're not about to go it alone.
What? Was that to me? Review state? I only see "View draft, Edit draft, Translate" as tabs. How do I set it in some kind of 'review' state? Since you're the moderator, I thought you could 'review' them whenever and whatever the way you choose.
Re: A Request for Turkish Translation
Posted: Mon Jan 06, 2014 3:04 am
by Z98
When editing a draft, bottom of the page, there's a tab called Publishing Options.
Re: A Request for Turkish Translation
Posted: Mon Jan 06, 2014 8:53 am
by erkinalp
What Erdem said pure Turkish is Turkish with no loanwords(endorsed by Turkish Langguage Institution), but have no native speakers. Actual Turkish is spoken and written language of general public, education and the press.
Re: A Request for Turkish Translation
Posted: Mon Jan 06, 2014 12:02 pm
by eersoy93
erkinalp wrote:What Erdem said pure Turkish is Turkish with no loanwords(endorsed by Turkish Langguage Institution), but have no native speakers. Actual Turkish is spoken and written language of general public, education and the press.
Yes.
Re: A Request for Turkish Translation
Posted: Mon Jan 06, 2014 12:17 pm
by Webunny
Z98 wrote:When editing a draft, bottom of the page, there's a tab called Publishing Options.
Again, a bit confusing though, because if you look at it when it's been made, it says: "Revision state: Published" on all my translated pages.
This translating-mechanism really ain't one of the more user-friendly I must say.
Well, at the bottom there are 3 tabs with 'save' and such. But I guess you're talking about the drop down menu, and one has to choose 'need review'?
I'll do so right now.
Re: A Request for Turkish Translation
Posted: Mon Jan 06, 2014 6:43 pm
by Black_Fox
erkinalp wrote:What Erdem said pure Turkish is Turkish with no loanwords(endorsed by Turkish Langguage Institution), but have no native speakers. Actual Turkish is spoken and written language of general public, education and the press.
If nobody speaks the "institution" language, then that institution sucks and should evolve as everyone around did. As another translator I think that each language has this (pure vs. actual version and using loanwords). The "pure" version lives only in old books and archives; the computers should use the "actual" version.
EDIT: fixed a typo
Re: A Request for Turkish Translation
Posted: Mon Jan 06, 2014 8:08 pm
by erkinalp
Actually we can add pure Turkish ("Öztürkçe") as an artificial language like Esperanto or Klingon(translation to both languages found in free software world, but I have never heard pure Turkish translation).
Re: A Request for Turkish Translation
Posted: Mon Jan 06, 2014 9:17 pm
by milon
It sounds to me like one is purely academic (so why bother?) while the other (currently existing) is one that will actually see use. What would be the purpose or benefit of having two Turkish translations?
Posted: Sun Jan 12, 2014 2:22 pm
by hto
Everything could be added, but are there people dedicated to the cause? ReactOS translation is not an one time effort. There are languages with millions of native speakers, but the translations are not kept in a good state.
Re: A Request for Turkish Translation
Posted: Sun Jan 12, 2014 2:31 pm
by EmuandCo
It wont be added.
According to MS's
Language Identifier List it's non existant and thus won't be added.
Excerpt:
0x041F | Turkish (tr) | 0x1F | LANG_TURKISH | Turkey (TR) | 0x01 | SUBLANG_TURKISH_TURKEY
Posted: Sun Jan 12, 2014 3:10 pm
by hto
EmuandCo wrote:
lol, klingon... Maybe I will make this just for fun when I have some spare time.