[ANNOUNCEMENT] ReactOS as a second OS in Russian government

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Re: [ANNOUNCEMENT] ReactOS as a second OS in Russian governm

Post by dizt3mp3r » Mon Oct 10, 2016 2:27 pm

I have come across commercial clients that were very wary indeed of o/s software being designed and coded by developers from ex-Soviet countries. Specifically, US/UK companies involved in purchasing software for military purposes that control vital parts of UK/US military infrastructure.

For example, the wiring diagrams for several helicopters in use today that were designed in the late 1970s and built in the 1980s are held on Vax/Alpha/ OpenVMS systems and will continue to be so until the very last commercial/military helicopter is removed from the skies. Ground attack jets used by India and the UK as well as most airliners by Airbus are all designed and built using VMS on Vax hardware.

Those o/s continue to operate on emulation packages that were written by dev. teams from ex-Soviet bloc countries but it was a very hard sell to get them to take it. They tested it for years before accepting it, ensuring that operation from the real and emulated hardware was identical in all respects.

However, for the really high priority systems, that intrinsic 'Russian-ness' was the reason that certain closed-source packages were not selected and instead the old Vax/VMS hardware was upgraded and retained. They chose to remain on obsolete hardware rather than have an unknown package from a supplier that had some Russian roots.

The involvement of the Russian government would raise issues for the potential take up of ReactOS for any company involved in the military or commercial infrastructure projects in the West. The fact that it is in open source and available to view/analyse is vital.

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Re: [ANNOUNCEMENT] ReactOS as a second OS in Russian governm

Post by EmuandCo » Mon Oct 10, 2016 4:19 pm

Yaaay, Russia bashing. I won't tell here what my opinion about this is. (As german citizen I must be careful about that, even if most ppl already know my opinion ^^)
Anyways, ReactOS is NO Russian project. We have several roots and one of them is here in Germany. True that one is russian and the PC is a russian citizen, but it's FOSS and whoever writes code for it has to realize that all code can be verified by anyone.
ROS is not used anywhere because it's not ready to use yet. Russia is no problem, manpower is. More skilled devs and we would progress way faster. More devs with more than their free time spent to ROS would have the same benefit. All of that is addressed already, but is a difficult process. One simply can't hire some guy as full time dev, you need to follow all local rules like taxes, insurances and waaaaay more like any employer would have to.
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Re: [ANNOUNCEMENT] ReactOS as a second OS in Russian governm

Post by dizt3mp3r » Mon Oct 10, 2016 4:59 pm

EmuandCo wrote:Yaaay, Russia bashing. I won't tell here what my opinion about this is. (As german citizen I must be careful about that, even if most ppl already know my opinion ^^)
Anyways, ReactOS is NO Russian project. We have several roots and one of them is here in Germany. True that one is russian and the PC is a russian citizen, but it's FOSS and whoever writes code for it has to realize that all code can be verified by anyone.
ROS is not used anywhere because it's not ready to use yet. Russia is no problem, manpower is. More skilled devs and we would progress way faster. More devs with more than their free time spent to ROS would have the same benefit. All of that is addressed already, but is a difficult process. One simply can't hire some guy as full time dev, you need to follow all local rules like taxes, insurances and waaaaay more like any employer would have to.
An 'interesting' reply - :roll:

No Russian bashing, merely an observation. This sort of thing really happens. The point is that you cannot avoid the effect of politics and involvement with any political organisation. <- That was the point.

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Re: [ANNOUNCEMENT] ReactOS as a second OS in Russian governm

Post by EmuandCo » Mon Oct 10, 2016 6:30 pm

Well. You know I first write and then think about what I wrote ^^ anyways. I hope my reply was not too .... 'interesting' ^^ I know that what you explained is happening and that's sad... but if you would have to associate all FOSS projects with some roots go to Russia to be the devil itself .... not much would be left at all.
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Re: [ANNOUNCEMENT] ReactOS as a second OS in Russian governm

Post by usufog » Sat Oct 22, 2016 9:23 am

I changed my post here because of all the progress being made. Even though the Windows platform is low on peoples priorities, it is refreshing to actually be able to use ReactOS to type this message. Finally it is starting to work.
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Re: [ANNOUNCEMENT] ReactOS as a second OS in Russian governm

Post by dizt3mp3r » Sat Oct 22, 2016 11:25 am

I'd like to use that post as a perfect example of how to make friends and influence people.

You must be very popular where you come from. :)

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Re: [ANNOUNCEMENT] ReactOS as a second OS in Russian governm

Post by EmuandCo » Sat Oct 22, 2016 1:36 pm

Sure it's unstable, see my sig for a 100% answer why this is the case...

If some dev does not come to us because we use a basic Windows design, then he truly is not the guy we are looking for! Ah and BTW... Designs sort of work already!

The source is not bloated. This is a friggin OS and no text editor in DOS. The source is smaller than the code of many other projects I follow and does way more... like.... being a NT clone and stuff ya know.

True that, NT started as trash like any other project did. Everything is a part of evolving, so what was the point of your post again?!

Windows 95 is a DOS GUI and no OS. Ah and a small sidenote of mine. It's called Microsoft, not M"$" (we already auto correct these ^^) or Microcruft or whatever!

That limitation is not intentional. Ever tried to run 16 bit code on a CPU in 64 bit mode? Think not, otherwise you would know that this is IMPOSSIBLE. They did not write a CPU interpreter/emulator like ROS does, that is true, but intentional is something different to thinking it's not worth the extra effort.

We will NEVER NEVER EVER do what you suggest. We ARE a NT5.2 OS and will stay that way. If you want a Linux then go and install a Ubuntu or Debian or... Fedora (*YUK*) because then you are clearly wrong here! I recommend WineHQ to you in that case!

We can't be sued because we implement without using any code of them and software patents are a bullshit idea of crazy USA, not of Asia, Russia or Europe and who cares about USA?!

That cold/not-so-cold war thing you say might be true, yeah, but one addition to that: It's a war coming from lies one side spreads and luckily we are NON political here. We are FOSS and give a shit about all these lies! We welcome Russian devs and our Russian Project Coordinator like we welcome any USA citizen or whoever, maybe even one or two aliens, who knows... (Coding skills of some core devs makes me wonder... :P)
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Re: [ANNOUNCEMENT] ReactOS as a second OS in Russian governm

Post by dizt3mp3r » Sat Oct 22, 2016 4:33 pm

You are most kind to give him an answer. I wasn't going to bother (other than my small comment) as it was clearly a toxic post designed to create a flame war.

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Re: [ANNOUNCEMENT] ReactOS as a second OS in Russian governm

Post by ROCKNROLLKID » Fri Oct 28, 2016 6:26 am

EmuandCo wrote:We ARE a NT5.2 OS and will stay that way.
I hope this also means that you will keep ReactOS extremely lightweight (keeping ram/cpu/space requirements low) and only add what is important and not bloat it up like Windows 8 or Windows 10, while still offering full compatibility to software/games/etc that can only run on Windows 7/8/10/future Windows versions, lol.

Anyways, since the Russian announcement happened a year ago now, has ReactOS actually gained any new developers since then? I noticed donations have increased compared to what it was before this announcement happened, which is a good thing of course.

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Re: [ANNOUNCEMENT] ReactOS as a second OS in Russian governm

Post by PurpleGurl » Sun Oct 30, 2016 4:00 am

On patents, some of Microsoft's patents have expired already, and others are nearly there.

As for performance, ROS will likely outrun Windows a little once it gets multicore support. After fixing the memory manager, fixing any driver installation issues, and supporting multicore, graphics performance should be at least as good as Windows.

On x64 and 16-bit, that cannot be done while in the CPU's long mode unless you use an emulator. For games, I first used DOSBOX, but later used 32-bit rewrites of the few 16-bit games I used. ID software has released the source to most of its game engines, but with the nature of games, that doesn't adversely impact business, since while the game engines are open source, the graphics, sounds and maps are not licensed as free. So you still have to buy the original game to get the files to use with a 3rd party game engine.

If someone wants a Windows OS and use Linux drivers, then maybe they should take a stable Linux version, take Wine, and retool both to be used together more tightly and in a more integrated fashion, removing a lot of Linux-specific stuff, and making some things more Windows-like, all while not touching the kernel. Then you might want to add an NTFS filesystem driver if the flavor of Linux used didn't have one. That would be more workable than starting with ReactOS and trying to convert it to something like that.

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Re: [ANNOUNCEMENT] ReactOS as a second OS in Russian governm

Post by mrfrisky330 » Thu Mar 16, 2017 1:38 pm

Providing the Russian government doesn't decide to "buy out" the project by bank rolling it for its own ends..

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Re: [ANNOUNCEMENT] ReactOS as a second OS in Russian governm

Post by dizt3mp3r » Thu Mar 16, 2017 2:13 pm

What? that is ridiculous... It is an open source project so it doesn't matter who contributes money, the job just gets done quicker. All of us would then benefit.

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Re: [ANNOUNCEMENT] ReactOS as a second OS in Russian governm

Post by encoded » Fri Jun 30, 2017 9:04 pm

How is this working out? or even true? I say FAKE NEWS!!!!

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Re: [ANNOUNCEMENT] ReactOS as a second OS in Russian governm

Post by usufog » Sun Aug 20, 2017 6:40 pm

Well it looks like support for this operating system is growing rapidly. And certainly the quality is going up enough for marginal use. For example I am actually writing this message from K-Meleon running on ReactOS within VirtualBox. And that is an astounding triumph . I am glad to have more options, and still concerned that Microsoft will sue for basic design and layout infringement even if the code base is different.

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