What would happen to the ReactOS project if Microsoft decided to make Windows open source, and will it ever happen?

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Re: What would happen to the ReactOS project if Microsoft decided to make Windows open source, and will it ever happen?

Post by Quim » Thu Oct 17, 2019 7:00 am

Aeneas wrote:
Wed Oct 16, 2019 10:05 am
The problem, and why their legal department killed the idea: Windows contains a lot of third-party-code which has been licensed by the respective companies to Microsoft, and which MS does NOT OWN. And hence, a release of this code would give rise to claims AGAINST MS by said third parties. - There is one component in the past which you all surely know about: HyperTerminal.
I remember Internet Explorer 6 was from Mosaic (just seeing at a recently installed Windows XP SP2).

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Re: What would happen to the ReactOS project if Microsoft decided to make Windows open source, and will it ever happen?

Post by Quim » Thu Oct 17, 2019 7:01 am

Aeneas wrote:
Wed Oct 16, 2019 10:27 pm
That's the whole point. NOT all core components are THEIRS to "open source", and they cannot cleanly separate them without having to re-develop parts. I just gave an example, but the issue is general. It has to do with the problem that licenses can be given for specific usage manners... but not for "doing whatever they want to".
So ReactOS is now and really will be the only true Open Source Windows OS. :D

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Re: What would happen to the ReactOS project if Microsoft decided to make Windows open source, and will it ever happen?

Post by Thanatophobia » Thu Oct 17, 2019 5:57 pm

Yeah, some of the components that Microsoft bundles in do come from third-party sources, a lot of times through their "embrace, extend, extinguish" strategy, like Microsoft Defender. But there's a lot of Linux distributions that come packaged with proprietary elements, such as Ubuntu.

Again, I think Microsoft open-sourcing Windows is very unlikely but if they do, they would probably open-source only the components that Microsoft owns and can legally make open-source, and would release a free version of Windows without the proprietary components along side the proprietary version, much like what Chrome OS did with Chromium OS, or Linspire with Freespire, or RHEL with Fedora and CentOS.

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Re: What would happen to the ReactOS project if Microsoft decided to make Windows open source, and will it ever happen?

Post by erkinalp » Thu Oct 17, 2019 7:10 pm

Windows XP defragger was also a third party component (from Veritas Software).
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Re: What would happen to the ReactOS project if Microsoft decided to make Windows open source, and will it ever happen?

Post by Quim » Fri Oct 18, 2019 8:43 pm

Thanatophobia wrote:
Thu Oct 17, 2019 5:57 pm
they would probably open-source only the components that Microsoft owns and can legally make open-source, and would release a free version of Windows
Which components could be (list)?

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Re: What would happen to the ReactOS project if Microsoft decided to make Windows open source, and will it ever happen?

Post by erkinalp » Fri Oct 18, 2019 11:19 pm

-Whole kernel
-All UWP-based components
-WSL 1/2
-Win32 explorer+Regedit+Control panel
-uses Ubuntu+GNOME 3 GNU/Linux
-likes Free (as in freedom) and Open Source Detergents
-favors open source of Windows 10 under GPL2

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Re: What would happen to the ReactOS project if Microsoft decided to make Windows open source, and will it ever happen?

Post by dizt3mp3r » Sat Oct 19, 2019 12:54 am

But what would the Nazis have done?
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Re: What would happen to the ReactOS project if Microsoft decided to make Windows open source, and will it ever happen?

Post by Thanatophobia » Sat Oct 19, 2019 1:52 am

Quim wrote:
Fri Oct 18, 2019 8:43 pm
Thanatophobia wrote:
Thu Oct 17, 2019 5:57 pm
they would probably open-source only the components that Microsoft owns and can legally make open-source, and would release a free version of Windows
Which components could be (list)?
Pretty much anything Microsoft made themselves or has the rights to. I'm not sure about specific components but erkinalp listed a few.

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Re: What would happen to the ReactOS project if Microsoft decided to make Windows open source, and will it ever happen?

Post by PurpleGurl » Fri Oct 25, 2019 8:41 am

Aeneas wrote:
Wed Oct 16, 2019 10:27 pm
That's the whole point. NOT all core components are THEIRS to "open source", and they cannot cleanly separate them without having to re-develop parts. I just gave an example, but the issue is general. It has to do with the problem that licenses can be given for specific usage manners... but not for "doing whatever they want to".
True. Id Software ran into this. They had unknowingly stepped on a patent owned by Creative Labs and settled by paying royalties on it. It was a way to improve video performance. That was why the Doom 3 engine took so long to release as open source. The developers (likely either John Romero or John Carmack) had to remove the "proprietary" code and put something in its place that worked (though likely slower).

So if Microsoft were to release such code, they could just release only what they own and leave brief comments about what was removed, it's calling conventions, and what it did. Then leave it to the open-source community to wrestle with what to do about it.

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Re: What would happen to the ReactOS project if Microsoft decided to make Windows open source, and will it ever happen?

Post by crackez » Fri Nov 01, 2019 1:52 am

Windows open source ...hahahah laughed so hard

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