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| − | Most of the people involved in the early stages of ReactOS have left the project. Recently, Dennis Winkley (early Kernel Team Coordinator) showed up in the #reactos IRC channel as _Guardian_ and provided some information:
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| − | <nowiki>*</nowiki> _Guardian_ has joined #reactos<br>
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| − | <GreyGhostNew> I was looking at historty so who was the very first devs of the previous os ?<br>
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| − | <_Guardian_> I don't really recall... no one was really left by the time Jason got involved...<br>
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| − | <arty> grey ghost: i think the only remaining original is jason filby<br>
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| − | <arty> but i could be wrong<br>
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| − | <_Guardian_> yeah, the only active member left from the take over is Jason... but some of us still lurk behind the scenes...<br>
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| − | <arty> _Guardian_: heh cool<br>
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| − | <GreyGhostNew> Anyways Three cheers for Jason for keeping the project alive!!And all the other coders for the tough work they have put in HURRAY HURRAY HURRAY<br>
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| − | <arty> _Guardian_: cool to see you lurking around<br>
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| − | <arty> I've wondered about what happened in the early days<br>
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| − | <GreyGhostNew> me too. soo how far did FreeWin95 go? or was all devlopment started after ROS? the history doesnt mention that?<br>
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| − | <_Guardian_> I had been watching freewin95 which was pretty much dead... then jason posted that he was taking it over... I offered to help him...<br>
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| − | <grasshopper2> _Guardian_: So ROS actually has code roots in freewin95?<br>
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| − | <_Guardian_> there was nothing but the goal of cloning win95 and a few random pages about ideas (as I recall)<br>
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| − | <_Guardian_> yes... after like a month we decided to change the name... ended up coming up with reactos... there were probably 5 or 6 people interested at that point...<br>
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| − | <GreyGhostNew> Three cheers for _Guardian_ too HURRAY HURRAY HURRAY And agianeveryboy else......I love ROS.......<br>
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| − | <arty> _Guardian_: david welch was working on it at that point, ya?<br>
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| − | <_Guardian_> yup... sure was...<br>
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| − | <_Guardian_> we also set the goal of getting code working instead of talking about what to make...<br>
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| − | <_Guardian_> followed by deciding that 9x was going to die and changed targets to NT4<br>
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| − | <grasshopper2> Best decision ever IMO.<br>
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| − | <GvG> _Guardian_: would you be willing to write up something (even if only anecdotal) about those early days?<br>
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| − | <GvG> Would be good to add that to the website<br>
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| − | <GreyGhostNew> yeah we need a wiki page....<br>
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| − | <GreyGhostNew> That will rock<br>
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| − | <_Guardian_> I suppose I could... but you'll probably want jason to comment on it... I don't know how good my recollection is... :)<br>
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| − | <GvG> It would be nice to know e.g. some of the names of our "founding fathers"<br>
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| − | <GreyGhostNew> All of U can pool everything together and have a nice History page! that will inspire other to join in too(I think)<br>
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| − | <nowiki>*</nowiki> filip2307 was always wondering about those early days ... he's there only since about 0.0.12 was released ... :/<br>
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| − | <GvG> Yeah, same here<br>
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| − | <kjk_hyperion> I don't quite remember since when<br>
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| − | <kjk_hyperion> may have been 0.0.8 or something<br>
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| − | <GreyGhostNew> Thats early too isnt it? I was here 3 years ago then i lost all contact with ROS...and then about 4 months ago again<br>
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| − | <_Guardian_> I don't remember any names besides jason and david at the moment... seems like david single handedly wrote most of the code for quite a while...<br>
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| − | <filip2307> i remember that first version i saw was 0.0.9, but i ignored it by then.<br>
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| − | <GvG> When did Rex and Brian Palmer get involved?<br>
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| − | <kjk_hyperion> GvG: they were already there when I was involved<br>
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| − | <filip2307> Rex was there since I remember...<br>
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| − | <kjk_hyperion> Rex already was our first webmaster<br>
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| − | <_Guardian_> right... rex was doing the hosting...<br>
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| − | <kjk_hyperion> and I helped Palmer write Task Manager<br>
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| − | <kjk_hyperion> also Phillip Susi was there<br>
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| − | <filip2307> i thought the first web site was hosted at David Welch's server ...<br>
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| − | <_Guardian_> Brian came in a little later... I'm guessing 6 months or so... about the time I stepped back to just watch...<br>
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| − | <filip2307> (and the CVS at Rex's box)<br>
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| − | <kjk_hyperion> ah, right<br>
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| − | <kjk_hyperion> Rex had his own site<br>
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| − | <_Guardian_> actaully, I had a reactos page first hosted on geocities<br>
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| − | <filip2307> I still remember the "yellow logo", was it the first one?<br>
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| − | <_Guardian_> nope<br>
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| − | <_Guardian_> I wonder if archive.org has copies of some of the old old old stuff...<br>
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| − | <hpoussin> http://web.archive.org/web/19991118133129/www.reactos.com/ ?<br>
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| − | <filip2307> i don't even remember the address anymore.<br>
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| − | <GreyGhostNew> Who do u think will have all the logos _Guardian_, Jason or who else (i mean ros ones)<br>
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| − | <filip2307> it wasn't at reactos.com ...<br>
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| − | <hpoussin> (it was time of release 0.0.14)<br>
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| − | <filip2307> i remember older versions of the site.<br>
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| − | <GreyGhostNew> Could make a good "History of ROS" wallpaper outa those<br>
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| − | <kjk_hyperion> no, I wasn't there that early, I think<br>
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| − | <kjk_hyperion> more like 0.0.17<br>
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| − | <kjk_hyperion> heh<br>
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| − | <kjk_hyperion> when cmd was a separate download<br>
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| − | <kjk_hyperion> because ReactOS couldn't run it yet<br>
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| − | <kjk_hyperion> we had shell.exe<br>
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| − | <filip2307> yeah :)<br>
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| − | <filip2307> it had about 11 commands<br>
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| − | <kjk_hyperion> I was the first to discover ReactOS could finally run cmd.exe<br>
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| − | <nowiki>*</nowiki> GvG remembers his first ReactOS fight: replacing shell.exe by cmd.exe as default shell<br>
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| − | <kjk_hyperion> oh such joy from such small events<br>
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| − | <nowiki>*</nowiki> filip2307 remembers trying FAR w/ every release.<br>
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| − | <nowiki>*</nowiki> kjk_hyperion remembers not knowing a iota of the C language<br>
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| − | <_Guardian_> try archive.org for www.geocities.com/SiliconValley/7519/<br>
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| − | <_Guardian_> probably in 96 I think...<br>
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| − | <filip2307> for the first few version i got BSODs (not those large ugly ones like now) and then i got stuck w/ unimplemented APIs like GetDiskFreeSpace ...<br>
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| − | <filip2307> ... oh, that were the times.<br>
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| − | <kjk_hyperion> I remember learning C and driver development on null.sys<br>
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| − | <kjk_hyperion> my first working code was implementing \Device\Zero<br>
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| − | <GvG> archive.com only goes back to 99 for www.geocities.com/SiliconValley/7519/ :(<br>
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| − | <kjk_hyperion> you can't read anything from it<br>
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| − | <kjk_hyperion> and data written to it goes nowhere<br>
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| − | <_Guardian_> how far back does archive go anyway?<br>
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| − | <arty> it seems to have that from oct 99<br>
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| − | <_Guardian_> I'll have to see if I have the old pages stashed anywhere on backup disks...<br>
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| − | <Royce3> _Guardian_: are you going to get involved in coding? *crosses fingers* :)<br>
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| − | <_Guardian_> Royce3: sorry... I have my own little projects that take all my spare time... and I exited the coding part of reactos about the time 2 decisions were made. a) to use gpl, b) to clone the internal structure of NT instead of building an OS and implementing the ABI on top...<br>
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| − | <Royce3> I can understand little projects, I have almost no time myself at the moment.... so those decisions were unsatisfactory for you, huh?<br>
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| − | <grasshopper2> _Guardian_: Unfortunately too much utilities, not to mention drivers, need the exact internals to match too. :-(<br>
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| − | <SamB> _Guardian_: how would the former in b) be any different from WINE?<br>
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| − | <SamB> except for the part about implementing the OS<br>
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| − | <SamB> ?<br>
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| − | <_Guardian_> yeah... maybe some day I will write the OS I was designing that almost made jason want to bail on reactos....<br>
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| − | <Royce3> _Guardian_: sounds intriguing...<br>
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| − | <Royce3> I can't imagine anything making me want to bail on ReactOS though<br>
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| − | <_Guardian_> a) I wanted to build the OS myself b) wine was not very useful at the time and c) linux was a pain to setup which doesn't go well with trying to replace windows for people...<br>
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| − | <SamB> _Guardian_: so was that a long time ago, then?<br>
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| − | <_Guardian_> Royce3: I don't know if I have the notes from what I was working on anymore... <br>
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| − | <Royce3> :(<br>
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| − | <_Guardian_> SamB: yeah... 96/97<br>
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| − | <_Guardian_> Royce3: I have a ton of notes stashed away... just have to dig through them and see if any from that time period survived...<br>
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| − | <Royce3> _Guardian_: you should pull them out and put them online somewhere at least...<br>
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| − | <_Guardian_> I'm planning on it... but by the end of my day when I have free time, about all I can manage is to destress for an hour or so on WoW and crash...<br>
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| − | <filip2307> sigh, no body remembers the URL of the old site?<br>
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| − | <filip2307> i think it was at cwcom.net or some company dwelch worked for previously.<br>
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| − | <_Guardian_> I haven't even managed to keep recent photos of my kids up on my website in the last year...<br>
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| − | <_Guardian_> no clue at the moment filip... sorry... I'll try to find it sometime in the next week...<br>
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| − | <Royce3> _Guardian_: what are you doing that wipes you out so bad?<br>
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| − | <_Guardian_> programming... helping take care of the kids... dealing with life...<br>
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| − | <Royce3> ah.. usual stuff then :P<br>
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| − | <filip2307> http://web.archive.org/web/19981203081542/www.sid-dis.com/reactos/<br>
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| − | <filip2307> 0.0.0.13 :)<br>
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| − | <Royce3> pre-pre-pre-alpha<br>
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| − | <grasshopper2> http://web.archive.org/web/19981206020504/www.sid-dis.com/reactos/intro.htm<br>
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| − | <_Guardian_> wow... I was still involved at that point?<br>
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| − | <Royce3> checkout svn revision 1 sometime ;)<br>
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| − | <grasshopper2> intro.htm mentions many names I've never seen.<br>
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| − | <_Guardian_> guess I did pretent do be the kernel cordinator for a while after I quit coding...<br>
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| − | <GvG> I couldn't checkout 1, but I did checkout 2....<br>
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| − | <Royce3> I thought I got 1... maybe not<br>
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| − | <Royce3> wow, there's a lot of people on the Kernel Team page!<br>
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| − | <filip2307> i haven't seen most of the names either.<br>
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| − | <filip2307> "Here at ReactOS, the whole kernel team is nuts!!!"<br>
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| − | <filip2307> ah, my favourite quote<br>
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| − | <filip2307> i didn't know it's THAT old ...<br>
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| − | <_Guardian_> lol... that quote was my fault...<br>
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| − | <filip2307> really? years later someone attributed it to RexJ.<br>
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| − | <filip2307> :)<br>
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| − | <Royce3> technically he said it was his fault, not that he actually said it<br>
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| − | <Royce3> considering he was kernel coordinator... he could be confessing to responsibility for the quote being said :P<br>
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| − | <_Guardian_> umm... hard to say... it probably came from someone changing the IRC channel topic...<br>
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| − | <_Guardian_> I know I tossed it onto the webpage (tripod ~UHB was mine)<br>
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| − | <filip2307> :)<br>
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| − | <filip2307> i know about half of the names/people from the Kernel Members ... :)<br>
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| − | <_Guardian_> probably the ones that actually did something on the project :)<br>
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| − | <filip2307> lol, maybe<br>
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| − | <filip2307> or just those who left their names in the source code<br>
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| − | <filip2307> i was also reading the mailing lists back then ... but i don't remember that much<br>
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| − | <_Guardian_> I seem to recall you showing up just before I fell off the face of the planet...<br>
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| − | <filip2307> That's possible.<br>
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| − | <GvG> I want to take the log of this IRC session, strip non-history related stuff and put it on the Wiki. Any objections?<br>
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| − | <filip2307> not from me :)<br>
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| − | <nowiki>*</nowiki> GvG is just being polite and doesn't really expect objections :-)<br>
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| − | <Royce3> so let it be done<br>
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| − | <_Guardian_> pleae do... :)<br>
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| − | <_Guardian_> I'll try to add as much history as I can to it over time...<br>
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| − | <GvG> Ok, cool<br>
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